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Anti-Racism Witch Hunts

Fjordman - 12/9/2008

The leading Norwegian blog Document.no tells the horrifying story
about how two decent white men in 2007 were attacked by a media lynch
mob for their supposed "racism." As it turns out later, the mainstream
media didn't present nearly all of the information relevant to the
case at the time, which didn't prevent them from nearly destroying
these two men. This happened at the same time as there is a growing
wave of crime and violence targeting the natives. The response of the
authorities to rising levels of racist violence targeting the natives
has been to increase crackdowns on "racism" – by the white natives. In
2005 the Norwegian parliament – with the support of 85% of MPs –
passed a new Discrimination Act, prepared by then Minister of
Integration from the Conservative Party, Erna Solberg, who had earlier
called for the establishment of a sharia council in Norway.

A spokesman for the right-wing Progress Party, Per Sandberg, feared
that the law would jeopardize the rights of law-abiding citizens.
Reverse burden of proof is combined with liability to pay
compensation, which means that innocent persons risk having to pay
huge sums for things they didn't do. If an immigrant claims that a
native has somehow discriminated against him or made a discriminatory
remark, the native person has to mount proof of his own innocence.
This harsh law was passed despite the fact that most immigrants
themselves claimed they had encountered little discrimination.

I have later discovered that similar laws have been passed across much
of Western Europe, encouraged by the EU and the Council of Europe
(CoE) in cooperation with international Islamic organizations. The
Norwegian law followed an initiative from the CoE. There was virtually
no public debate about this law, which was passed in relative silence
prior to the national elections that year. Not a single journalist
genuinely criticized it, and most barely mentioned it at all before it
was passed. The same journalists otherwise tend to be very concerned
about the legal or "human rights" of Islamic terrorists, but
apparently not of their own people.

The Equality and Anti-discrimination Ombud Beate Gangås, a white
lesbian feminist, before the municipal elections in 2007 warned all
political parties against making "discriminatory" remarks regarding
immigration policies, but called for actively reducing the number of
white, heterosexual men in politics. There was little real debate
about immigration in the heavily left-leaning media that year, but an
all the more passionate witch-hunt looking for racists, and by that I
mean whites only. The left-wing coalition government, after a meeting
with immigrant organizations, announced that racists, apparently
meaning white natives only, should be "smoked out" of all public
sector jobs.

The same government in October 2008 funded a conference in Oslo
involving "dialogue" with a number of hardline sharia-sponsoring
groups from the Middle East, including the Egyptian branch of the
Muslim Brotherhood. The section Fred og Forsoning ("Peace and
Reconciliation") of the Foreign Ministry financed the research project
"Fault Lines of Islamism" [pdf] led by Bjørn Olav Utvik of the
University of Oslo. Gry Larsen from the Labor Party, representing the
Ministry, was scheduled to meet with representatives of these groups.
The left-wing government can thus meet with radical Islamic groups,
but want to silence those among the natives who don't want Muslims
with such views to settle in their country. No "dialogue" with them.

Two ambulance drivers in Oslo, both of them white native Norwegians,
were in August 2007 involved in what became a massively hyped case
supposedly involving "white racism." The ambulance had arrived to pick
up an African man who was injured. As ambulance driver Erik Schjenken
months later explained, the man "pulled down his pants and urinated on
my colleague's leg. My colleague was surprised, pulled away and called
him a pig. That's when we viewed the man as a problem, and decided it
was best if the police took him to the clinic." Ali Farah, the
Somalian man in question, had more severe head injuries than the
drivers assumed at that point. "We made a mistake, because we
interpreted his urination as willful and a provocation, but NOT
because we had racist or discriminatory motives," Schjenken wrote.

Based on weak suspicions of "racism," the mass media, leading
intellectuals and politicians launched what can only be described as a
witch-hunt against the two ambulance drivers. "This would never happen
to a white man," said the prominent Norwegian-Pakistani lawyer Abid Q.
Raja, representing Farah and his family. Author Anne Holt, who once
served as Minister of Justice for the Labor Party, wrote an essay in
newspaper Aftenposten which in my view amounted to a verbal execution
of the drivers. Both of them were suspended from service and became
the target of widespread, negative media coverage. They were later
cleared after an investigation of the incident by the Norwegian Board
of Health Supervision. However, the Equality and Anti-Discrimination
Ombud, or the Multicultural Inquisition as I like to call it, ruled
that Farah was a victim of discrimination and that the ambulance
personnel broke the anti-discrimination laws. As noted before, the
anti-discrimination law states that natives are guilty of
"discrimination" almost as soon as they are suspected of it.

It should be mentioned here that this African man was injured in the
first place because he was beaten by another African man, from Ghana.
In Norway, a country straddling the Arctic Circle and with no colonial
history, one African man beats another African man, and the result is
that the white ambulance drivers, who have dedicated their lives to
helping other people, become the targets of a lynch mob led by the
country's media. Driver Erik Schjenken needed professional help as he
was brought to the brink of suicide.

According to Hans Rustad from the major blog Document.no, the ideology
of anti-racism in some cases resembles what we have seen from
Communists regimes. The term "racist" is similar to being called a
"class traitor" under Communism. The mere accusation is powerful
enough to destroy lives. Rustad fears that anti-racism in some cases
leads to lawlessness. Ambulance driver Schjenken was a well-regarded
employee who had performed thousands of calls and saved many lives,
yet because of one error of judgment, which in my view was
understandable given the situation, his life was ruined. All because
he had a politically incorrect skin color while the other person was
non-white.

What makes this even more absurd is that in Norway, as throughout the
Western world, white-on-non-white violence is exceedingly rare. The
vast majority of racism and racist violence comes from non-whites
against whites, or between different groups of non-whites. In Oslo,
young girls are raped; schoolchildren are threatened with death,
robbed and assaulted. The police have warned against "an alarming rise
in street violence" in urban areas across the country. This is
directly caused by mass immigration, which is nevertheless still
championed by the very same media who attacked these two ambulance
drivers.

For instance, a 17-year-old Somalian was convicted of the rape of a
young girl in Oslo. The court stated that the rape was unusually
brutal and lasted for several hours. The man choked the girl for so
long that the medical doctor who examined her said that she could have
died. The girl suffers from severe psychological problems in the
aftermath of the attack. The African youth was sentenced to four and
half years in prison. This sentence included another rape, where his
Norwegian-Moroccan friend raped a 13-year-old girl whilst the Somalian
helped to threaten her and keep guard. She has naturally been
traumatized from the incident.

Numerous natives have had their lives ruined by similar attacks, yet
anti-white racism is rarely mentioned as a problem by the mainstream
media. Whites are apparently fair game. The more vicious the rapes,
muggings, and stabbings targeting whites in their own country get, the
more aggressive and hysterical the witch-hunt on "white racism"
becomes. French philosopher Alain Finkielkraut has warned that "the
lofty idea of 'the war on racism' is gradually turning into a
hideously false ideology. And this anti-racism will be for the 21st
century what Communism was for the 20th century: A source of
violence."

Professor Sigurd Skirbekk of the University of Oslo notes that "In
1994, the German periodical Focus pointed to opinion polls taken in
Germany, France and England in which 55, 52 and 50 per cent,
respectively, felt that their countries accepted too many immigrants.
From Norway we have a representative study from 1987 which showed that
51% of the people felt that the country should accept fewer
immigrants; 25% felt that politicians should stick to current
practice, while only 8% wanted to accept more immigrants. A similar
study in Sweden, made a couple of years later, showed that 54% of
Swedes felt that too many people were immigrating to Sweden. In later
studies the figures have varied somewhat; but there have always been
more people who have favored a restrictive policy than those who
favored liberalization." Thus, according to Skirbekk, "the extent of
recent immigration cannot be explained on the basis of popular opinion
[my emphasis]."

Skirbekk wonders whether there is a quasi-religious undercurrent to
the anti-racist movement, and that it is quite literally the
equivalent of the witch-hunts of previous ages:

"A number of researchers have come to see that certain issues in the
migration debate has religious connotations. The Norwegian social
anthropologist Inger Lise Lien, for instance, has written that
'racism' in the public immigration debate has become a word used to
label the demons among us, the impure from whom all decent people
should remain aloof. We have every reason to believe that the use of
the term 'racist' in our day has many functional similarities with the
use of the word 'heretic' three hundred years ago….It is presumably
fully possible to join anti-racist movements with the sole motive of
identifying with something that appears to be politically correct, or
in order to be a part of a collective that entitles one to demonstrate
and to harass splinter groups that no one cares to defend." But
"behind the slogan 'crush the racists,' there might well be something
more than a primitive desire to exercise violence. The battle also
involves an element of being in a struggle for purity versus impurity.
And since racism is something murky, anti-racism and the colorful
community it purportedly represents, becomes an expression of what is
pure."

The Norwegian left-wing author Torgrim Eggen warns against "race wars"
brought about by mass immigration yet continues to support it.
Questioned about what we can do to avoid this scenario he states:
"That's a very stupid question to ask to an author. This presupposes
that I want everybody to be happy, have a good time and don't have any
problems. If so, what do they want me to write about?"

I will give him credit for his honesty: This is the most frank
admission I have seen of the fact that some people don't WANT society
to be harmonious; they think it's boring. There is no worse fate for a
self-professed intellectual than to live in a nation that is by and
large prosperous, peaceful and well-functioning because nobody will
care about his advice or follow his guidance, as is befitting a person
of his intelligence.

During the Multicultural craze of the 1990s, Eggen in an essay
entitled "The psychotic racism" warned against turbulence caused by
mass immigration. The solution to this was not to limit immigration,
but to limit criticism of immigration. According to him, xenophobia
and opposition to mass immigration should be viewed as a mental
illness, and hence "the solution to this xenophobia is that you should
distribute medication to those who are seriously affected. I have
discussed this with professor of community medicine, Dr. Per Fugelli,
and he liked the idea." Mr. Fugelli suggested putting anti psychotic
drugs in the city's drinking water.

This may sound too extreme to be meant seriously, but Fugelli has
continued to chastise those who are critical of national immigration
policies. Eggen warned that arguments about how ordinary people are
concerned over mass immigration shouldn't be accepted because this
could lead to Fascism: "One should be on one's guard against people,
especially politicians, who invoke xenophobia on behalf of others. And
if certain people start their reasoning with phrases such as 'ordinary
people feel that,' one shouldn't argue at all, one should hit [them]."

Thomas Hylland Eriksen, professor of social anthropology at the
University of Oslo, heads a multi-million project sponsored by the
state trying to envision how the new Multicultural society will work.
He is a career Multiculturalist and intellectual celebrity in his
country, a frequent contributor to the public debate and lives,
according to himself, in a boring, monocultural part of the city,
insulated from the effects of cultural diversity. Hylland Eriksen has
proclaimed the death of (Western) nations as if he derives pleasure
from it, and has stated that the Nidaros Cathedral (Nidarosdomen), the
most prominent church in the country, should no longer serve as a
national symbol in our Multicultural society.

Mr. Eriksen has clashed with Ole-Jørgen Anfindsen, who runs the
bilingual quality website HonestThinking.org and warns against the
effects of uncontrolled mass immigration. According to Hylland
Eriksen, "Cosmopolites insist on a world comprising of more colors
than black and white. In such a world, the problems presented by Ole-
Jørgen Anfindsen are not just petty, but irrelevant."

What are the problems presented by Mr. Anfindsen? Well, he has
published numbers indicating that if the current immigration
continues, native Norwegians will be a minority in their own country
within a couple of generations. Given the fact that ethnic groups who
become minorities in their own lands usually have a hard time, and
always get persecuted when the newcomers are Muslims, one would assume
that this would be interesting information. But for self-proclaimed
"Multicultural cosmopolites," it is "petty and irrelevant" to even
consider that this could represent a problem. Eriksen calls Anfindsen
"stupid and ignorant," and hints that "Maybe Anfindsen's agenda is
inspired by a kind of perverted Christianity (he has a Christian
background)."

"He has a Christian background." Is that supposed to be an insult and
disqualify a person from worrying about whether his grandchildren will
be persecuted? Mr. Eriksen, like other Western Multiculturalists,
worries about Islamophobia but is more than willing to mock
Christianity. A newspaper essay co-authored by Eriksen states that:
"Is he [Anfindsen] asking us to once again repeat the obvious in that
the murder of Theo van Gogh, various acts of terrorism and death
threats against newspaper editors have nothing to do with Islam?"

Nothing to do with Islam? Really?

Mohammed Bouyeri, born in Amsterdam of Moroccan parents, killed Theo
van Gogh as he was cycling in Amsterdam on Nov. 2, 2004, shooting and
stabbing before slashing his throat and pinning a note to his body
with a knife. "I did what I did purely out my beliefs," he told judges
while clutching a Koran. "I want you to know that I acted out of
conviction and not that I took his life because he was Dutch or
because I was Moroccan," but because he believed van Gogh insulted
Islam in his film criticizing the treatment of Muslim women.

So a peaceful Christian man is accused of having a dark, secret
agenda, while a Muslim murderer who brags about his Islamic
motivations has nothing to do with Islam? A Serbian doctor from the
former Yugoslavia, where a Multicultural society recently collapsed in
a horrific civil war, warned against the effects of unchecked mass
immigration. Thomas Hylland Eriksen responded by chastising her for
her "lack of visions."

Apparently, your worth as an intellectual is measured in how grandiose
your ideas are. The greater your visions, the more dazzling your
intellect is and thus the greater prestige should be awarded to you.
Whether those visions actually correspond to reality and human nature
is of secondary importance. In fact, many a self-proclaimed
intellectual will be downright offended by the petty considerations of
his more pedestrian fellow citizens, concerned with what effects his
ideas will have in real life. The fact that some people could get hurt
from his ideas doesn't discourage him. Truly great advances for
mankind can only be accomplished though sacrifices, preferably made by
others than himself.

Those who champion mass immigration take no self-criticism for the
violence their policies have brought. On the contrary, they want more
immigration. Following the release of a UN population report in 2007
which indicated a global population increase of several billion people
over the coming decades, Marie Simonsen, the political editor of
Norwegian left-wing newspaper Dagbladet, which has spent decades
denouncing the right-wing Progress Party for their "racist" policies
of limiting mass immigration, wrote that it should be considered a
universal human right for people everywhere to migrate wherever they
want to. This would mean virtually certain annihilation for a tiny,
wealthy and naive Scandinavian nation. Ms. Simonsen thus endorsed the
gradual eradication of her own people, no doubt congratulating herself
for her tolerance. Not a single word of protest was voiced by any
other journalist to this statement.

"Human rights" was a concept originally intended to ensure liberty.
Now it's used to eradicate an entire civilization, in the name of
tolerance and diversity, and the natives are specifically banned from
protesting against this.
Fjordman is a noted Norwegian blogger who has written for many
conservative web sites. He used to have his own Fjordman Blog in the
past, but it is no longer active.

http://globalpolitician.com/25308-racism

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On 13 Dec, 10:29, "$80PC News Network"
<bbbbbdfgdfgdgd...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Anti-Racism Witch Hunts
>
> Fjordman - 12/9/2008
>
> The leading Norwegian blog Document.no tells the horrifying story
> about how two decent white men in 2007 were attacked by a media lynch
> mob for their supposed "racism." As it turns out later, the mainstream
> media didn't present nearly all of the information relevant to the
> case at the time, which didn't prevent them from nearly destroying
> these two men. This happened at the same time as there is a growing
> wave of crime and violence targeting the natives. The response of the
> authorities to rising levels of racist violence targeting the natives
> has been to increase crackdowns on "racism" – by the white natives. In
> 2005 the Norwegian parliament – with the support of 85% of MPs –
> passed a new Discrimination Act, prepared by then Minister of
> Integration from the Conservative Party, Erna Solberg, who had earlier
> called for the establishment of a sharia council in Norway.
>
> A spokesman for the right-wing Progress Party, Per Sandberg, feared
> that the law would jeopardize the rights of law-abiding citizens.
> Reverse burden of proof is combined with liability to pay
> compensation, which means that innocent persons risk having to pay
> huge sums for things they didn't do. If an immigrant claims that a
> native has somehow discriminated against him or made a discriminatory
> remark, the native person has to mount proof of his own innocence.
> This harsh law was passed despite the fact that most immigrants
> themselves claimed they had encountered little discrimination.
>
> I have later discovered that similar laws have been passed across much
> of Western Europe, encouraged by the EU and the Council of Europe
> (CoE) in cooperation with international Islamic organizations. The
> Norwegian law followed an initiative from the CoE. There was virtually
> no public debate about this law, which was passed in relative silence
> prior to the national elections that year. Not a single journalist
> genuinely criticized it, and most barely mentioned it at all before it
> was passed. The same journalists otherwise tend to be very concerned
> about the legal or "human rights" of Islamic terrorists, but
> apparently not of their own people.
>
> The Equality and Anti-discrimination Ombud Beate Gangås, a white
> lesbian feminist, before the municipal elections in 2007 warned all
> political parties against making "discriminatory" remarks regarding
> immigration policies, but called for actively reducing the number of
> white, heterosexual men in politics. There was little real debate
> about immigration in the heavily left-leaning media that year, but an
> all the more passionate witch-hunt looking for racists, and by that I
> mean whites only. The left-wing coalition government, after a meeting
> with immigrant organizations, announced that racists, apparently
> meaning white natives only, should be "smoked out" of all public
> sector jobs.
>
> The same government in October 2008 funded a conference in Oslo
> involving "dialogue" with a number of hardline sharia-sponsoring
> groups from the Middle East, including the Egyptian branch of the
> Muslim Brotherhood. The section Fred og Forsoning ("Peace and
> Reconciliation") of the Foreign Ministry financed the research project
> "Fault Lines of Islamism" [pdf] led by Bjørn Olav Utvik of the
> University of Oslo. Gry Larsen from the Labor Party, representing the
> Ministry, was scheduled to meet with representatives of these groups.
> The left-wing government can thus meet with radical Islamic groups,
> but want to silence those among the natives who don't want Muslims
> with such views to settle in their country. No "dialogue" with them.
>
> Two ambulance drivers in Oslo, both of them white native Norwegians,
> were in August 2007 involved in what became a massively hyped case
> supposedly involving "white racism." The ambulance had arrived to pick
> up an African man who was injured. As ambulance driver Erik Schjenken
> months later explained, the man "pulled down his pants and urinated on
> my colleague's leg. My colleague was surprised, pulled away and called
> him a pig. That's when we viewed the man as a problem, and decided it
> was best if the police took him to the clinic." Ali Farah, the
> Somalian man in question, had more severe head injuries than the
> drivers assumed at that point. "We made a mistake, because we
> interpreted his urination as willful and a provocation, but NOT
> because we had racist or discriminatory motives," Schjenken wrote.
>
> Based on weak suspicions of "racism," the mass media, leading
> intellectuals and politicians launched what can only be described as a
> witch-hunt against the two ambulance drivers. "This would never happen
> to a white man," said the prominent Norwegian-Pakistani lawyer Abid Q.
> Raja, representing Farah and his family. Author Anne Holt, who once
> served as Minister of Justice for the Labor Party, wrote an essay in
> newspaper Aftenposten which in my view amounted to a verbal execution
> of the drivers. Both of them were suspended from service and became
> the target of widespread, negative media coverage. They were later
> cleared after an investigation of the incident by the Norwegian Board
> of Health Supervision. However, the Equality and Anti-Discrimination
> Ombud, or the Multicultural Inquisition as I like to call it, ruled
> that Farah was a victim of discrimination and that the ambulance
> personnel broke the anti-discrimination laws. As noted before, the
> anti-discrimination law states that natives are guilty of
> "discrimination" almost as soon as they are suspected of it.
>
> It should be mentioned here that this African man was injured in the
> first place because he was beaten by another African man, from Ghana.
> In Norway, a country straddling the Arctic Circle and with no colonial
> history, one African man beats another African man, and the result is
> that the white ambulance drivers, who have dedicated their lives to
> helping other people, become the targets of a lynch mob led by the
> country's media. Driver Erik Schjenken needed professional help as he
> was brought to the brink of suicide.
>
> According to Hans Rustad from the major blog Document.no, the ideology
> of anti-racism in some cases resembles what we have seen from
> Communists regimes. The term "racist" is similar to being called a
> "class traitor" under Communism. The mere accusation is powerful
> enough to destroy lives. Rustad fears that anti-racism in some cases
> leads to lawlessness. Ambulance driver Schjenken was a well-regarded
> employee who had performed thousands of calls and saved many lives,
> yet because of one error of judgment, which in my view was
> understandable given the situation, his life was ruined. All because
> he had a politically incorrect skin color while the other person was
> non-white.
>
> What makes this even more absurd is that in Norway, as throughout the
> Western world, white-on-non-white violence is exceedingly rare. The
> vast majority of racism and racist violence comes from non-whites
> against whites, or between different groups of non-whites. In Oslo,
> young girls are raped; schoolchildren are threatened with death,
> robbed and assaulted. The police have warned against "an alarming rise
> in street violence" in urban areas across the country. This is
> directly caused by mass immigration, which is nevertheless still
> championed by the very same media who attacked these two ambulance
> drivers.
>
> For instance, a 17-year-old Somalian was convicted of the rape of a
> young girl in Oslo. The court stated that the rape was unusually
> brutal and lasted for several hours. The man choked the girl for so
> long that the medical doctor who examined her said that she could have
> died. The girl suffers from severe psychological problems in the
> aftermath of the attack. The African youth was sentenced to four and
> half years in prison. This sentence included another rape, where his
> Norwegian-Moroccan friend raped a 13-year-old girl whilst the Somalian
> helped to threaten her and keep guard. She has naturally been
> traumatized from the incident.
>
> Numerous natives have had their lives ruined by similar attacks, yet
> anti-white racism is rarely mentioned as a problem by the mainstream
> media. Whites are apparently fair game. The more vicious the rapes,
> muggings, and stabbings targeting whites in their own country get, the
> more aggressive and hysterical the witch-hunt on "white racism"
> becomes. French philosopher Alain Finkielkraut has warned that "the
> lofty idea of 'the war on racism' is gradually turning into a
> hideously false ideology. And this anti-racism will be for the 21st
> century what Communism was for the 20th century: A source of
> violence."
>
> Professor Sigurd Skirbekk of the University of Oslo notes that "In
> 1994, the German periodical Focus pointed to opinion polls taken in
> Germany, France and England in which 55, 52 and 50 per cent,
> respectively, felt that their countries accepted too many immigrants.
> From Norway we have a representative study from 1987 which showed that
> 51% of the people felt that the country should accept fewer
> immigrants; 25% felt that politicians should stick to current
> practice, while only 8% wanted to accept more immigrants. A similar
> study in Sweden, made a couple of years later, showed that 54% of
> Swedes felt that too many people were immigrating to Sweden. In later
> studies the figures have varied somewhat; but there have always been
> more people who have favored a restrictive policy than those who
> favored liberalization." Thus, according to Skirbekk, "the extent of
> recent immigration cannot be explained on the basis of popular opinion
> [my emphasis]."
>
> Skirbekk wonders whether there is a quasi-religious undercurrent to
> the anti-racist movement, and that it is quite literally the
> equivalent of the witch-hunts of previous ages:
>
> "A number of researchers have come to see that certain issues in the
> migration debate has religious connotations. The Norwegian social
> anthropologist Inger Lise Lien, for instance, has written that
> 'racism' in the public immigration debate has become a word used to
> label the demons among us, the impure from whom all decent people
> should remain aloof. We have every reason to believe that the use of
> the term 'racist' in our day has many functional similarities with the
> use of the word 'heretic' three hundred years ago….It is presumably
> fully possible to join anti-racist movements with the sole motive of
> identifying with something that appears to be politically correct, or
> in order to be a part of a collective that entitles one to demonstrate
> and to harass splinter groups that no one cares to defend." But
> "behind the slogan 'crush the racists,' there might well be something
> more than a primitive desire to exercise violence. The battle also
> involves an element of being in a struggle for purity versus impurity.
> And since racism is something murky, anti-racism and the colorful
> community it purportedly represents, becomes an expression of what is
> pure."
>
> The Norwegian left-wing author Torgrim Eggen warns against "race wars"
> brought about by mass immigration yet continues to support it.
> Questioned about what we can do to avoid this scenario he states:
> "That's a very stupid question to ask to an author. This presupposes
> that I want everybody to be happy, have a good time and don't have any
> problems. If so, what do they want me to write about?"
>
> I will give him credit for his honesty: This is the most frank
> admission I have seen of the fact that some people don't WANT society
> to be harmonious; they think it's boring. There is no worse fate for a
> self-professed intellectual than to live in a nation that is by and
> large prosperous, peaceful and well-functioning because nobody will
> care about his advice or follow his guidance, as is befitting a person
> of his intelligence.
>
> During the Multicultural craze of the 1990s, Eggen in an essay
> entitled "The psychotic racism" warned against turbulence caused by
> mass immigration. The solution to this was not to limit immigration,
> but to limit criticism of immigration. According to him, xenophobia
> and opposition to mass immigration should be viewed as a mental
> illness, and hence "the solution to this xenophobia is that you should
> distribute medication to those who are seriously affected. I have
> discussed this with professor of community medicine, Dr. Per Fugelli,
> and he liked the idea." Mr. Fugelli suggested putting anti psychotic
> drugs in the city's drinking water.
>
> This may sound too extreme to be meant seriously, but Fugelli has
> continued to chastise those who are critical of national immigration
> policies. Eggen warned that arguments about how ordinary people are
> concerned over mass immigration shouldn't be accepted because this
> could lead to Fascism: "One should be on one's guard against people,
> especially politicians, who invoke xenophobia on behalf of others. And
> if certain people start their reasoning with phrases such as 'ordinary
> people feel that,' one shouldn't argue at all, one should hit [them]."
>
> Thomas Hylland Eriksen, professor of social anthropology at the
> University of Oslo, heads a multi-million project sponsored by the
> state trying to envision how the new Multicultural society will work.
> He is a career Multiculturalist and intellectual celebrity in his
> country, a frequent contributor to the public debate and lives,
> according to himself, in a boring, monocultural part of the city,
> insulated from the effects of cultural diversity. Hylland Eriksen has
> proclaimed the death of (Western) nations as if he derives pleasure
> from it, and has stated that the Nidaros Cathedral (Nidarosdomen), the
> most prominent church in the country, should no longer serve as a
> national symbol in our Multicultural society.
>
> Mr. Eriksen has clashed with Ole-Jørgen Anfindsen, who runs the
> bilingual quality website HonestThinking.org and warns against the
> effects of uncontrolled mass immigration. According to Hylland
> Eriksen, "Cosmopolites insist on a world comprising of more colors
> than black and white. In such a world, the problems presented by Ole-
> Jørgen Anfindsen are not just petty, but irrelevant."
>
> What are the problems presented by Mr. Anfindsen? Well, he has
> published numbers indicating that if the current immigration
> continues, native Norwegians will be a minority in their own country
> within a couple of generations. Given the fact that ethnic groups who
> become minorities in their own lands usually have a hard time, and
> always get persecuted when the newcomers are Muslims, one would assume
> that this would be interesting information. But for self-proclaimed
> "Multicultural cosmopolites," it is "petty and irrelevant" to even
> consider that this could represent a problem. Eriksen calls Anfindsen
> "stupid and ignorant," and hints that "Maybe Anfindsen's agenda is
> inspired by a kind of perverted Christianity (he has a Christian
> background)."
>
> "He has a Christian background." Is that supposed to be an insult and
> disqualify a person from worrying about whether his grandchildren will
> be persecuted? Mr. Eriksen, like other Western Multiculturalists,
> worries about Islamophobia but is more than willing to mock
> Christianity. A newspaper essay co-authored by Eriksen states that:
> "Is he [Anfindsen] asking us to once again repeat the obvious in that
> the murder of Theo van Gogh, various acts of terrorism and death
> threats against newspaper editors have nothing to do with Islam?"
>
> Nothing to do with Islam? Really?
>
> Mohammed Bouyeri, born in Amsterdam of Moroccan parents, killed Theo
> van Gogh as he was cycling in Amsterdam on Nov. 2, 2004, shooting and
> stabbing before slashing his throat and pinning a note to his body
> with a knife. "I did what I did purely out my beliefs," he told judges
> while clutching a Koran. "I want you to know that I acted out of
> conviction and not that I took his life because he was Dutch or
> because I was Moroccan," but because he believed van Gogh insulted
> Islam in his film criticizing the treatment of Muslim women.
>
> So a peaceful Christian man is accused of having a dark, secret
> agenda, while a Muslim murderer who brags about his Islamic
> motivations has nothing to do with Islam? A Serbian doctor from the
> former Yugoslavia, where a Multicultural society recently collapsed in
> a horrific civil war, warned against the effects of unchecked mass
> immigration. Thomas Hylland Eriksen responded by chastising her for
> her "lack of visions."
>
> Apparently, your worth as an intellectual is measured in how grandiose
> your ideas are. The greater your visions, the more dazzling your
> intellect is and thus the greater prestige should be awarded to you.
> Whether those visions actually correspond to reality and human nature
> is of secondary importance. In fact, many a self-proclaimed
> intellectual will be downright offended by the petty considerations of
> his more pedestrian fellow citizens, concerned with what effects his
> ideas will have in real life. The fact that some people could get hurt
> from his ideas doesn't discourage him. Truly great advances for
> mankind can only be accomplished though sacrifices, preferably made by
> others than himself.
>
> Those who champion mass immigration take no self-criticism for the
> violence their policies have brought. On the contrary, they want more
> immigration. Following the release of a UN population report in 2007
> which indicated a global population increase of several billion people
> over the coming decades, Marie Simonsen, the political editor of
> Norwegian left-wing newspaper Dagbladet, which has spent decades
> denouncing the right-wing Progress Party for their "racist" policies
> of limiting mass immigration, wrote that it should be considered a
> universal human right for people everywhere to migrate wherever they
> want to. This would mean virtually certain annihilation for a tiny,
> wealthy and naive Scandinavian nation. Ms. Simonsen thus endorsed the
> gradual eradication of her own people, no doubt congratulating herself
> for her tolerance. Not a single word of protest was voiced by any
> other journalist to this statement.
>
> "Human rights" was a concept originally intended to ensure liberty.
> Now it's used to eradicate an entire civilization, in the name of
> tolerance and diversity, and the natives are specifically banned from
> protesting against this.
> Fjordman is a noted Norwegian blogger who has written for many
> conservative web sites. He used to have his own Fjordman Blog in the
> past, but it is no longer active.
>
> http://globalpolitician.com/25308-racism
>
> www.skadi.net

Quisling

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"D K Palm" <dan_palm@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:036f68d3-9864-4fef-af9c-4ce7c7f6062d@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On 13 Dec, 10:29, "$80PC News Network"
<bbbbbdfgdfgdgd...@googlemail.com> wrote:

>> "Human rights" was a concept originally intended
>> to ensure liberty. Now it's used to eradicate an
>> entire civilization, in the name of tolerance and
>> diversity, and the natives are specifically banned
>> from protesting against this.
>>
>> Fjordman is a noted Norwegian blogger who has
>> written for many conservative web sites. He used
>> to have his own Fjordman Blog in the past, but
>> it is no longer active.

> Quisling

Well, Dan, quisling may be the right keyword in this context, but perhaps
not in the sense that you meant. Truth is that if we don't start tackling
these problems now, we will very soon face the risk of new quislings
appearing on the scene. You should know that, having the situation in Malmö
near at hand. Do you really want to feed the extreme right by going too far
left?

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On Dec 13, 1:59 pm, "J. Anderson" <anderso...@inbox.lv> wrote:
> "D K Palm" <dan_p...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:036f68d3-9864-4fef-af9c-4ce7c7f6062d@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On 13 Dec, 10:29, "$80PC News Network"
>
> <bbbbbdfgdfgdgd...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> "Human rights" was a concept originally intended
> >> to ensure liberty. Now it's used to eradicate an
> >> entire civilization, in the name of tolerance and
> >> diversity, and the natives are specifically banned
> >> from protesting against this.
>
> >> Fjordman is a noted Norwegian blogger who has
> >> written for many conservative web sites. He used
> >> to have his own Fjordman Blog in the past, but
> >> it is no longer active.
> > Quisling
>
> Well, Dan, quisling may be the right keyword in this context, but perhaps
> not in the sense that you meant. Truth is that if we don't start tackling
> these problems now, we will very soon face the risk of new quislings
> appearing on the scene. You should know that, having the situation in Malmö
> near at hand. Do you really want to feed the extreme right by going too far
> left?


I think Dan might have misunderstood what the word means.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quisling
'In contemporary usage, "Quisling" is synonymous with "traitor", and
particularly applied to politicians who appear to favour the interests
of other nations or cultures over their own.'


Torsten

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tgpedersen@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 13, 1:59 pm, "J. Anderson" <anderso...@inbox.lv> wrote:
>> "D K Palm" <dan_p...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:036f68d3-9864-4fef-af9c-4ce7c7f6062d@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>> On 13 Dec, 10:29, "$80PC News Network"
>>
>> <bbbbbdfgdfgdgd...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>> "Human rights" was a concept originally intended
>>>> to ensure liberty. Now it's used to eradicate an
>>>> entire civilization, in the name of tolerance and
>>>> diversity, and the natives are specifically banned
>>>> from protesting against this.
>>>> Fjordman is a noted Norwegian blogger who has
>>>> written for many conservative web sites. He used
>>>> to have his own Fjordman Blog in the past, but
>>>> it is no longer active.
>>> Quisling
>> Well, Dan, quisling may be the right keyword in this context, but perhaps
>> not in the sense that you meant. Truth is that if we don't start tackling
>> these problems now, we will very soon face the risk of new quislings
>> appearing on the scene. You should know that, having the situation in Malmö
>> near at hand. Do you really want to feed the extreme right by going too far
>> left?
>
>
> I think Dan might have misunderstood what the word means.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quisling
> 'In contemporary usage, "Quisling" is synonymous with "traitor", and
> particularly applied to politicians who appear to favour the interests
> of other nations or cultures over their own.'

He probably did, but we can also remember Vidkun Quisling as an
ultra-right politician with racism and violence on the agenda. Quisling
became a quisling only after the German occupation. Before that his
party, Nasjonal Samling, had been active in Norway for many years.

We may soon see new Quislings and new versions of Nasjonal Samling
attracting voters all over Scandinavia if we don't deal with the
situation in a less 'liberal' and more determined manner.

The EU should have a joint immigration policy based on the simple and
ancient principle 'Do in Rome as the Romans do'. Anyone who is granted
residence in Europe should a priori accept European values and a
European way of living. Why is this so difficult to understand?

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J. Anderson skrev:
> tgpedersen@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Dec 13, 1:59 pm, "J. Anderson" <anderso...@inbox.lv> wrote:
>>> "D K Palm" <dan_p...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>> messagenews:036f68d3-9864-4fef-af9c-4ce7c7f6062d@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> On 13 Dec, 10:29, "$80PC News Network"
>>>
>>> <bbbbbdfgdfgdgd...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Human rights" was a concept originally intended
>>>>> to ensure liberty. Now it's used to eradicate an
>>>>> entire civilization, in the name of tolerance and
>>>>> diversity, and the natives are specifically banned
>>>>> from protesting against this.
>>>>> Fjordman is a noted Norwegian blogger who has
>>>>> written for many conservative web sites. He used
>>>>> to have his own Fjordman Blog in the past, but
>>>>> it is no longer active.
>>>> Quisling
>>> Well, Dan, quisling may be the right keyword in this context, but
>>> perhaps
>>> not in the sense that you meant. Truth is that if we don't start
>>> tackling
>>> these problems now, we will very soon face the risk of new quislings
>>> appearing on the scene. You should know that, having the situation in
>>> Malmö
>>> near at hand. Do you really want to feed the extreme right by going
>>> too far
>>> left?
>>
>>
>> I think Dan might have misunderstood what the word means.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quisling
>> 'In contemporary usage, "Quisling" is synonymous with "traitor", and
>> particularly applied to politicians who appear to favour the interests
>> of other nations or cultures over their own.'
>
> He probably did, but we can also remember Vidkun Quisling as an
> ultra-right politician with racism and violence on the agenda. Quisling
> became a quisling only after the German occupation. Before that his
> party, Nasjonal Samling, had been active in Norway for many years.
>
> We may soon see new Quislings and new versions of Nasjonal Samling
> attracting voters all over Scandinavia if we don't deal with the
> situation in a less 'liberal' and more determined manner.
>
> The EU should have a joint immigration policy based on the simple and
> ancient principle 'Do in Rome as the Romans do'. Anyone who is granted
> residence in Europe should a priori accept European values and a
> European way of living. Why is this so difficult to understand?

Throw the christians to the lions. Why is this so difficult to
understand. Pax Romana is certainly the name of the game. But what about
the muslims?

Regards
Mikael Forsberg

---

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"@" <124@invalid.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:59:59 +0100, J. Nielsen
> <mp274808@paul.get2net.dk> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:49:13 +0100, "@" <124@invalid.net> wrote:
> >
> >>Herman Goering was not hanged
> >
> >Actually, yes.
>
>
> no
>
>
>
> >He did cheat the hangman by chewing on a cyanid capsule, but
> >the corpse was hanged anyway. Apparently 'Ordnung Muss Sein' even for the
> >Allies.
>
>
> link?
>
> proof?
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_G%C3%B6ring#Capture.2C_trial.2C_and_death


--

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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:08:58 +0100, Matthias Kern
<lotharwedell@yahoo.de> wrote:

>"@" <124@invalid.net> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:59:59 +0100, J. Nielsen
>> <mp274808@paul.get2net.dk> wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:49:13 +0100, "@" <124@invalid.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Herman Goering was not hanged
>> >
>> >Actually, yes.
>>
>>
>> no
>>
>>
>>
>> >He did cheat the hangman by chewing on a cyanid capsule, but
>> >the corpse was hanged anyway. Apparently 'Ordnung Muss Sein' even for the
>> >Allies.
>>
>>
>> link?
>>
>> proof?
>>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_G%C3%B6ring#Capture.2C_trial.2C_and_death

????????


from the link:
<<<<<
Because he committed suicide, his dead body was displayed by the
gallows for the witnesses of the executions.
<<<<

where do you see any hanging???


his dead body was shown to the witnesses as proof of his death, that's
all




--
If you want to make peace, you don't talk to your friends.
You talk to your enemies.
/Moshe Dayan/

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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:15:29 +0100, "@" <124@invalid.net> wrote:

>where do you see any hanging???
>
>
>his dead body was shown to the witnesses as proof of his death, that's
>all

Øv! Jeg troede lige jeg kunne slippe igennem 2008 ude at tage fejl én eneste
gang... ;)
--

-JN-

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On 13 Des, 16:23, tgpeder...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 13, 1:59 pm, "J. Anderson" <anderso...@inbox.lv> wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quisling
> 'In contemporary usage, "Quisling" is synonymous with "traitor", and
> particularly applied to politicians who appear to favour the interests
> of other nations or cultures over their own.'

If your own culture is immature and evil compared to the one you
favour, it means it can be a good thing to be a quisling.

It's sad that most people are unable to define words in more
consistant ways. Specially those charged words.

If a farmer drive his black employees into the fields on a hot sunny
day while letting his white men work inside, the farmer may be
discriminating on behalf of race, which makes him a racist. This shows
us racism can be a good thing. In fact, it would be possible construct
alternative motive for racism in any kind of situations, which makes
laws against racism ridiculous.

I'm not able to escape the fact I'm a racist. In fact, I find it
impossible to be against racism combined with being a reasonable man.


Chris Joy
<<<Where does Govt grow all left oriented dumb fucks?>>>

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"Chrisjoy" <ultralibertarianer@gmail.com> skrev i meddelelsen
news:be1609ed-5256-4d28-8814-6612b00dc448@a26g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On 13 Des, 16:23, tgpeder...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 13, 1:59 pm, "J. Anderson" <anderso...@inbox.lv> wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quisling
> 'In contemporary usage, "Quisling" is synonymous with "traitor", and
> particularly applied to politicians who appear to favour the interests
> of other nations or cultures over their own.'

If your own culture is immature and evil compared to the one you
favour, it means it can be a good thing to be a quisling.

It's sad that most people are unable to define words in more
consistant ways. Specially those charged words.

If a farmer drive his black employees into the fields on a hot sunny
day while letting his white men work inside, the farmer may be
discriminating on behalf of race, which makes him a racist. This shows
us racism can be a good thing. In fact, it would be possible construct
alternative motive for racism in any kind of situations, which makes
laws against racism ridiculous.

I'm not able to escape the fact I'm a racist. In fact, I find it
impossible to be against racism combined with being a reasonable man.

BW: Why should it be worse to dislilke a certain race, tthan tto dislike
carrots?

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"Bo Warming" <bwng@bwng.dk> wrote in message
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> BW: Why should it be worse to dislilke a certain race, tthan tto dislike
> carrots?

Because we are human beings, not vegetables.

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"J. Anderson" <andersons6@inbox.lv> skrev i meddelelsen
news:7N81l.104988$_03.64758@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
>
> "Bo Warming" <bwng@bwng.dk> wrote in message
> news:PvmdnaFN_671l9jUnZ2dnUVZ8i-dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>> BW: Why should it be worse to dislilke a certain race, tthan tto dislike
>> carrots?
>
> Because we are human beings, not vegetables.

I am not going to eat you because you are a Jew

If I dont like to talk to you
as much as with a girl,
it is not racism and itt should be legal

UK hanged lord HawHaw because he did not like Jews

UK was worse than nazis - they were intolerant and did not respekt freedom
of speech

It was supported at dk.politics that he was hanged.

Antiracists often are terrible

Killing an opponent for propaganda-disagreeent may be OK during a war

But Churchill showed his true face when he supported tha hanging during
PEACE TIME

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Bo Warming skrev:
> "J. Anderson" <andersons6@inbox.lv> skrev i meddelelsen
> news:7N81l.104988$_03.64758@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
>>
>> "Bo Warming" <bwng@bwng.dk> wrote in message
>> news:PvmdnaFN_671l9jUnZ2dnUVZ8i-dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>>> BW: Why should it be worse to dislilke a certain race, tthan tto
>>> dislike carrots?
>>
>> Because we are human beings, not vegetables.
>
> I am not going to eat you because you are a Jew
>
> If I dont like to talk to you
> as much as with a girl,
> it is not racism and itt should be legal
>
> UK hanged lord HawHaw because he did not like Jews
>
> UK was worse than nazis - they were intolerant and did not respekt
> freedom of speech
>
> It was supported at dk.politics that he was hanged.
>
> Antiracists often are terrible
>
> Killing an opponent for propaganda-disagreeent may be OK during a war
>
> But Churchill showed his true face when he supported tha hanging during
> PEACE TIME

Churchill inhereted the war from his predecessor Chamberlain who
decleared war against Hitler. Why would a document make murder more or
less decent toward the victims?

Regards
Mikael Forsberg

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J. Anderson kirjoitti:
> "Bo Warming" <bwng@bwng.dk> wrote in message
> news:PvmdnaFN_671l9jUnZ2dnUVZ8i-dnZ2d@giganews.com...

>> BW: Why should it be worse to dislilke a certain race, tthan tto dislike
>> carrots?

> Because we are human beings, not vegetables.

....and we deal with problems, not complexion. The problem with
immigration is not because of the color of the skin of the immigrant.
The problem is that some of them are brought up to think that fgm, rape,
honor killings etc are acceptable.

There's also plenty of native, "white" North Europeans that think it is
OK to drink a whole bottle of Absolut or Koskenkorva in one go and beat
the sh*t out of their wife and kids. Is that also a problem with the
color of the skin of the perpetrator, or is it an attitude/mental
problem of his?

--
Anton

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On 15 Des, 19:32, J. Nielsen <mp274...@paul.get2net.dk> wrote:
>
>  Øv! Jeg troede lige jeg kunne slippe igennem 2008 ude at tage fejl én eneste
> gang... ;)

If a guy was judged to capital punishment by hanging, I don't think
it's a reasonable objection not to go though with it, just because his
body is already dead.

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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:51:06 -0800 (PST), Chrisjoy
<ultralibertarianer@gmail.com> wrote:

>If a guy was judged to capital punishment by hanging, I don't think
>it's a reasonable objection not to go though with it, just because his
>body is already dead.

Absolutely not. Just look at all the persons who has been executed
'in effigy'

In the case of 'Der Dicke' it was probably too much of a hassle.
--

-JN-

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On 15 Des, 20:51, Chrisjoy <ultralibertaria...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 15 Des, 19:32, J. Nielsen <mp274...@paul.get2net.dk> wrote:
>
>
>
> >  Øv! Jeg troede lige jeg kunne slippe igennem 2008 ude at tage fejl én eneste
> > gang... ;)
>
> If a guy was judged to capital punishment by hanging, I don't think
> it's a reasonable objection not to go though with it, just because his
> body is already dead.

Takk for det gamle uvenn. Jeg må si meg enig i hovedpunktet. Det
vesentlige er ikke om hvordan slike forredere og krigsforbrytere ble
henrettet, men at det også etter at krigen er slutt, er riktig å gi
slike svinepelser sin velfortjente straff

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Brumle Måseegg wrote:
> On 15 Des, 20:51, Chrisjoy <ultralibertaria...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 15 Des, 19:32, J. Nielsen <mp274...@paul.get2net.dk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Øv! Jeg troede lige jeg kunne slippe igennem 2008 ude at tage fejl én eneste
>>> gang... ;)
>> If a guy was judged to capital punishment by hanging, I don't think
>> it's a reasonable objection not to go though with it, just because his
>> body is already dead.
>
> Takk for det gamle uvenn. Jeg må si meg enig i hovedpunktet. Det
> vesentlige er ikke om hvordan slike forredere og krigsforbrytere ble
> henrettet, men at det også etter at krigen er slutt, er riktig å gi
> slike svinepelser sin velfortjente straff

Uansett ville det være interessant å vite hvor Nielsen fikk denne ideen
fra. Det er jo en ganske morbid tanke at man henger et lik. I hvert fall
ser den døde Göring litt mer presentabel ut enn noen av de andre:

http://www.propagandafilme.de/nachkriegsdeutschland/die-juristische-aufarbeitung-der-ns-verbrechen/251.html

Det er åpenbart at Keitel hørte til dem som slo fjeset i plattformkanten
da han falt.

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/zeitgeschichte/0,1518,459977,00.html

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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:04:05 +0200, "J. Anderson" <andersons6@inbox.lv> wrote:

>Uansett ville det være interessant å vite hvor Nielsen fikk denne ideen
>fra. Det er jo en ganske morbid tanke at man henger et lik. I hvert fall
>ser den døde Göring litt mer presentabel ut enn noen av de andre:

Jeg husker ikke hvor jeg først hørte, at Göring skulle være hængt efter sin
død.

>http://www.propagandafilme.de/nachkriegsdeutschland/die-juristische-aufarbeitung-der-ns-verbrechen/251.html
>
>Det er åpenbart at Keitel hørte til dem som slo fjeset i plattformkanten
>da han falt.

Amerikanerne brugte deres egen bøddel, som kludre fælt i det, både med
rebenes længde og faldlemmens størrelse - og det, skønt briterne havde en
særdeles erfaren herre i Albert Pierrepoint, som (såvidt jeg husker fra bogen
"Hangmen of England") havde tilbudt teknisk assistance.
--

-JN-

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On 13 Dec, 17:05, "J. Anderson" <anderso...@inbox.lv> wrote:
> tgpeder...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Dec 13, 1:59 pm, "J. Anderson" <anderso...@inbox.lv> wrote:
> >> "D K Palm" <dan_p...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:036f68d3-9864-4fef-af9c-4ce7c7f6062d@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> >> On 13 Dec, 10:29, "$80PC News Network"
>
> >> <bbbbbdfgdfgdgd...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>>> "Human rights" was a concept originally intended
> >>>> to ensure liberty. Now it's used to eradicate an
> >>>> entire civilization, in the name of tolerance and
> >>>> diversity, and the natives are specifically banned
> >>>> from protesting against this.
> >>>> Fjordman is a noted Norwegian blogger who has
> >>>> written for many conservative web sites. He used
> >>>> to have his own Fjordman Blog in the past, but
> >>>> it is no longer active.
> >>> Quisling
> >> Well, Dan, quisling may be the right keyword in this context, but perhaps
> >> not in the sense that you meant. Truth is that if we don't start tackling
> >> these problems now, we will very soon face the risk of new quislings
> >> appearing on the scene. You should know that, having the situation in Malmö
> >> near at hand. Do you really want to feed the extreme right by going too far
> >> left?
>
> > I think Dan might have misunderstood what the word means.
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quisling
> > 'In contemporary usage, "Quisling" is synonymous with "traitor", and
> > particularly applied to politicians who appear to favour the interests
> > of other nations or cultures over their own.'
>
> He probably did, but we can also remember Vidkun Quisling as an
> ultra-right politician with racism and violence on the agenda. Quisling
> became a quisling only after the German occupation. Before that his
> party, Nasjonal Samling, had been active in Norway for many years.
>
> We may soon see new Quislings and new versions of Nasjonal Samling
> attracting voters all over Scandinavia if we don't deal with the
> situation in a less 'liberal' and more determined manner.
>
> The EU should have a joint immigration policy based on the simple and
> ancient principle 'Do in Rome as the Romans do'. Anyone who is granted
> residence in Europe should a priori accept European values and a
> European way of living. Why is this so difficult to understand?- Dölj citerad text -
>
> - Visa citerad text -

What then are European culture and European values? Are not people
from former Yugoslavia Europeans, even as some of them are Muslims,
yet if you ask a person to the far right they often claim that they
should be repatriated because they don't belong in Scandinavia.
And what in European/Western culture are to be favoured? The part of
the culture that created humanism and secular thinking, brought to us
by European philosophers like Averroes (Muslim) and Baruch de Spinoza
(Sephardi Jew).
Or should we favour the European culture that brought us the
Inquisition, pogrom's, Fascism, Nazism, Communism, ethnic cleansing,
religious persecution, endless wars, colonialism and national rivalry.
Just face it, so called European culture are not isolated, nor an
European invention and in many cases nothing to be proud over.
As far as I see it all cultures, moral values and religions have the
same value, even if I prefer the one I grew up with, if we just could
get rid of the damn Christian church.

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D K Palm skrev:
> On 13 Dec, 17:05, "J. Anderson" <anderso...@inbox.lv> wrote:
>> tgpeder...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Dec 13, 1:59 pm, "J. Anderson" <anderso...@inbox.lv> wrote:
>>>> "D K Palm" <dan_p...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:036f68d3-9864-4fef-af9c-4ce7c7f6062d@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On 13 Dec, 10:29, "$80PC News Network"
>>>> <bbbbbdfgdfgdgd...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Human rights" was a concept originally intended
>>>>>> to ensure liberty. Now it's used to eradicate an
>>>>>> entire civilization, in the name of tolerance and
>>>>>> diversity, and the natives are specifically banned
>>>>>> from protesting against this.
>>>>>> Fjordman is a noted Norwegian blogger who has
>>>>>> written for many conservative web sites. He used
>>>>>> to have his own Fjordman Blog in the past, but
>>>>>> it is no longer active.
>>>>> Quisling
>>>> Well, Dan, quisling may be the right keyword in this context, but perhaps
>>>> not in the sense that you meant. Truth is that if we don't start tackling
>>>> these problems now, we will very soon face the risk of new quislings
>>>> appearing on the scene. You should know that, having the situation in Malmö
>>>> near at hand. Do you really want to feed the extreme right by going too far
>>>> left?
>>> I think Dan might have misunderstood what the word means.
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quisling
>>> 'In contemporary usage, "Quisling" is synonymous with "traitor", and
>>> particularly applied to politicians who appear to favour the interests
>>> of other nations or cultures over their own.'
>> He probably did, but we can also remember Vidkun Quisling as an
>> ultra-right politician with racism and violence on the agenda. Quisling
>> became a quisling only after the German occupation. Before that his
>> party, Nasjonal Samling, had been active in Norway for many years.
>>
>> We may soon see new Quislings and new versions of Nasjonal Samling
>> attracting voters all over Scandinavia if we don't deal with the
>> situation in a less 'liberal' and more determined manner.
>>
>> The EU should have a joint immigration policy based on the simple and
>> ancient principle 'Do in Rome as the Romans do'. Anyone who is granted
>> residence in Europe should a priori accept European values and a
>> European way of living. Why is this so difficult to understand?- Dölj citerad text -
>>
>> - Visa citerad text -
>
> What then are European culture and European values? Are not people
> from former Yugoslavia Europeans, even as some of them are Muslims,
> yet if you ask a person to the far right they often claim that they
> should be repatriated because they don't belong in Scandinavia.
> And what in European/Western culture are to be favoured? The part of
> the culture that created humanism and secular thinking, brought to us
> by European philosophers like Averroes (Muslim) and Baruch de Spinoza
> (Sephardi Jew).
> Or should we favour the European culture that brought us the
> Inquisition, pogrom's, Fascism, Nazism, Communism, ethnic cleansing,
> religious persecution, endless wars, colonialism and national rivalry.
> Just face it, so called European culture are not isolated, nor an
> European invention and in many cases nothing to be proud over.
> As far as I see it all cultures, moral values and religions have the
> same value, even if I prefer the one I grew up with, if we just could
> get rid of the damn Christian church.

Is it not a contradictory statement you plead? All religions have the
same value but get rid of the damn Christian church...

Regards
Mikael Forsberg

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D K Palm wrote:
> On 13 Dec, 17:05, "J. Anderson" <anderso...@inbox.lv> wrote:

>> The EU should have a joint immigration policy based on the simple and
>> ancient principle 'Do in Rome as the Romans do'. Anyone who is granted
>> residence in Europe should a priori accept European values and a
>> European way of living. Why is this so difficult to understand?
>
> What then are European culture and European values? Are not people
> from former Yugoslavia Europeans, even as some of them are Muslims,
> yet if you ask a person to the far right they often claim that they
> should be repatriated because they don't belong in Scandinavia.

Of course people from the Balkans are Europeans regardless of their
religion -- that goes without saying.

> And what in European/Western culture are to be favoured? The part of
> the culture that created humanism and secular thinking, brought to us
> by European philosophers like Averroes (Muslim) and Baruch de Spinoza
> (Sephardi Jew).
> Or should we favour the European culture that brought us the
> Inquisition, pogrom's, Fascism, Nazism, Communism, ethnic cleansing,
> religious persecution, endless wars, colonialism and national rivalry.
> Just face it, so called European culture are not isolated, nor an
> European invention and in many cases nothing to be proud over.

European values and the European way of living is what we have now, not
what existed in bygone times. They are defined for instance in the
European Convention on Human Rights
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Convention_on_Human_Rights).

> As far as I see it all cultures, moral values and religions have the
> same value, even if I prefer the one I grew up with, if we just could
> get rid of the damn Christian church.

It's far too easy and cowardly to say that all religions have the same
value. They don't, unless you personally don't have any values at all.
I don't think that you would accept the introduction of sharia law in
Muslim communities in Sweden. I don't think that you accept female
circumcision. There are some tribal religions that practice cannibalism
in their rites, would you accept that? Etcetera, etcetera; people do the
weirdest things in the name of religion.

The human rights convention grants 'the freedom to change a religion or
belief, and to manifest a religion or belief in worship, teaching,
practice and observance, subject to certain restrictions that are *in
accordance with law* and *necessary in a democratic society*'.

In order to become a member of the European Union, a state is expected
to meet certain criteria and accept certain common principles. We should
demand something similar from non-EU migrants wishing to settle down in
the EU.

We want to fade down religion and churches, don't we? Why should we
create new religious problems by giving fundamentalists free entry to
our countries?

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D K Palm kirjoitti:
> On 13 Dec, 17:05, "J. Anderson" <anderso...@inbox.lv> wrote:

>> The EU should have a joint immigration policy based on the simple and
>> ancient principle 'Do in Rome as the Romans do'. Anyone who is granted
>> residence in Europe should a priori accept European values and a
>> European way of living. Why is this so difficult to understand?

> What then are European culture and European values?

There is a legitimate concern of the proportionally high crime rate
among newcomers. Of course we are ethically decent and target the deed
instead of targeting anyone belonging to a reference group: send
crime-committing non-citizens (and new citizens) home. Murderers should
be kicked out and never allow to return. Even these crime-committing
citizens that have been citizens of another country earlier should have
their Finnish/Swedish/Norwegian/Danish/etc citizenship revoked.
Non-citizens get an automatic additional ten years of waiting added
before they can apply - after they have served their sentence.

--
Anton

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On Dec 14, 4:10 pm, "Bo Warming" <b...@bwng.dk> wrote:
>
> UK hanged lord HawHaw because he did not like Jews
>
> UK was worse than nazis - they were intolerant and did not respekt freedom
> of speech
>
> It was supported at dk.politics that he was hanged.
>
> Antiracists often are terrible
>
> Killing an opponent for propaganda-disagreeent may be OK during a war
>
> But Churchill showed his true face when he supported tha hanging during
> PEACE TIME

Quisling, Fehmer, Goering was also hanged after the war. Thats what
happens to traitors and wart criminals.

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"Brumle Måseegg" <herman.brumle@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:73488072-28c3-4f6c-a3a3-636ac3674e40@z27g2000prd.googlegroups.com...

> Quisling, Fehmer, Goering was also hanged after the war.

Göring wasn't. Unfortunately he managed to kill himself before the hanging.
May they burn in hell, together with Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Saddam and all
the rest of the scum.

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On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 07:18:04 -0800 (PST), Brumle Måseegg
<herman.brumle@gmail.com> wrote:


>Quisling, Fehmer, Goering was also hanged after the war


no

Herman Goering was not hanged




--
If you want to make peace, you don't talk to your friends.
You talk to your enemies.
/Moshe Dayan/

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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:49:13 +0100, "@" <124@invalid.net> wrote:

>Herman Goering was not hanged

Actually, yes. He did cheat the hangman by chewing on a cyanid capsule, but
the corpse was hanged anyway. Apparently 'Ordnung Muss Sein' even for the
Allies.
--

-JN-

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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:59:59 +0100, J. Nielsen
<mp274808@paul.get2net.dk> wrote:

>On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:49:13 +0100, "@" <124@invalid.net> wrote:
>
>>Herman Goering was not hanged
>
>Actually, yes.


no



>He did cheat the hangman by chewing on a cyanid capsule, but
>the corpse was hanged anyway. Apparently 'Ordnung Muss Sein' even for the
>Allies.


link?

proof?


--
If you want to make peace, you don't talk to your friends.
You talk to your enemies.
/Moshe Dayan/

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On 14 Dec, 13:42, Mikael Forsberg <mikaelforsb...@ymail.com> wrote:
> D K Palm skrev:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 13 Dec, 17:05, "J. Anderson" <anderso...@inbox.lv> wrote:
> >> tgpeder...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Dec 13, 1:59 pm, "J. Anderson" <anderso...@inbox.lv> wrote:
> >>>> "D K Palm" <dan_p...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:036f68d3-9864-4fef-af9c-4ce7c7f6062d@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> >>>> On 13 Dec, 10:29, "$80PC News Network"
> >>>> <bbbbbdfgdfgdgd...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> "Human rights" was a concept originally intended
> >>>>>> to ensure liberty. Now it's used to eradicate an
> >>>>>> entire civilization, in the name of tolerance and
> >>>>>> diversity, and the natives are specifically banned
> >>>>>> from protesting against this.
> >>>>>> Fjordman is a noted Norwegian blogger who has
> >>>>>> written for many conservative web sites. He used
> >>>>>> to have his own Fjordman Blog in the past, but
> >>>>>> it is no longer active.
> >>>>> Quisling
> >>>> Well, Dan, quisling may be the right keyword in this context, but perhaps
> >>>> not in the sense that you meant. Truth is that if we don't start tackling
> >>>> these problems now, we will very soon face the risk of new quislings
> >>>> appearing on the scene. You should know that, having the situation in Malmö
> >>>> near at hand. Do you really want to feed the extreme right by going too far
> >>>> left?
> >>> I think Dan might have misunderstood what the word means.
> >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quisling
> >>> 'In contemporary usage, "Quisling" is synonymous with "traitor", and
> >>> particularly applied to politicians who appear to favour the interests
> >>> of other nations or cultures over their own.'
> >> He probably did, but we can also remember Vidkun Quisling as an
> >> ultra-right politician with racism and violence on the agenda. Quisling
> >> became a quisling only after the German occupation. Before that his
> >> party, Nasjonal Samling, had been active in Norway for many years.
>
> >> We may soon see new Quislings and new versions of Nasjonal Samling
> >> attracting voters all over Scandinavia if we don't deal with the
> >> situation in a less 'liberal' and more determined manner.
>
> >> The EU should have a joint immigration policy based on the simple and
> >> ancient principle 'Do in Rome as the Romans do'. Anyone who is granted
> >> residence in Europe should a priori accept European values and a
> >> European way of living. Why is this so difficult to understand?- Dölj citerad text -
>
> >> - Visa citerad text -
>
> > What then are European culture and European values? Are not people
> > from former Yugoslavia Europeans, even as some of them are Muslims,
> > yet if you ask a person to the far right they often claim that they
> > should be repatriated because they don't belong in Scandinavia.
> > And what in European/Western culture are to be favoured? The part of
> > the culture that created humanism and secular thinking, brought to us
> > by European philosophers like Averroes (Muslim) and Baruch de Spinoza
> > (Sephardi Jew).
> > Or should we favour the European culture that brought us the
> > Inquisition, pogrom's, Fascism, Nazism, Communism, ethnic cleansing,
> > religious persecution, endless wars, colonialism and national rivalry.
> > Just face it, so called European culture are not isolated, nor an
> > European invention and in many cases nothing to be proud over.
> > As far as I see it all cultures, moral values and religions have the
> > same value, even if I prefer the one I grew up with, if we just could
> > get rid of the damn Christian church.
>
> Is it not a contradictory statement you plead? All religions have the
> same value but get rid of the damn Christian church...
>
> Regards
> Mikael Forsberg- Dölj citerad text -
>
> - Visa citerad text -

I want to get rid off all religions, so no it's not a contradictory
statement.

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D K Palm skrev:
> On 14 Dec, 13:42, Mikael Forsberg <mikaelforsb...@ymail.com> wrote:
>> D K Palm skrev:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 13 Dec, 17:05, "J. Anderson" <anderso...@inbox.lv> wrote:
>>>> tgpeder...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Dec 13, 1:59 pm, "J. Anderson" <anderso...@inbox.lv> wrote:
>>>>>> "D K Palm" <dan_p...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:036f68d3-9864-4fef-af9c-4ce7c7f6062d@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> On 13 Dec, 10:29, "$80PC News Network"
>>>>>> <bbbbbdfgdfgdgd...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Human rights" was a concept originally intended
>>>>>>>> to ensure liberty. Now it's used to eradicate an
>>>>>>>> entire civilization, in the name of tolerance and
>>>>>>>> diversity, and the natives are specifically banned
>>>>>>>> from protesting against this.
>>>>>>>> Fjordman is a noted Norwegian blogger who has
>>>>>>>> written for many conservative web sites. He used
>>>>>>>> to have his own Fjordman Blog in the past, but
>>>>>>>> it is no longer active.
>>>>>>> Quisling
>>>>>> Well, Dan, quisling may be the right keyword in this context, but perhaps
>>>>>> not in the sense that you meant. Truth is that if we don't start tackling
>>>>>> these problems now, we will very soon face the risk of new quislings
>>>>>> appearing on the scene. You should know that, having the situation in Malmö
>>>>>> near at hand. Do you really want to feed the extreme right by going too far
>>>>>> left?
>>>>> I think Dan might have misunderstood what the word means.
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quisling
>>>>> 'In contemporary usage, "Quisling" is synonymous with "traitor", and
>>>>> particularly applied to politicians who appear to favour the interests
>>>>> of other nations or cultures over their own.'
>>>> He probably did, but we can also remember Vidkun Quisling as an
>>>> ultra-right politician with racism and violence on the agenda. Quisling
>>>> became a quisling only after the German occupation. Before that his
>>>> party, Nasjonal Samling, had been active in Norway for many years.
>>>> We may soon see new Quislings and new versions of Nasjonal Samling
>>>> attracting voters all over Scandinavia if we don't deal with the
>>>> situation in a less 'liberal' and more determined manner.
>>>> The EU should have a joint immigration policy based on the simple and
>>>> ancient principle 'Do in Rome as the Romans do'. Anyone who is granted
>>>> residence in Europe should a priori accept European values and a
>>>> European way of living. Why is this so difficult to understand?- Dölj citerad text -
>>>> - Visa citerad text -
>>> What then are European culture and European values? Are not people
>>> from former Yugoslavia Europeans, even as some of them are Muslims,
>>> yet if you ask a person to the far right they often claim that they
>>> should be repatriated because they don't belong in Scandinavia.
>>> And what in European/Western culture are to be favoured? The part of
>>> the culture that created humanism and secular thinking, brought to us
>>> by European philosophers like Averroes (Muslim) and Baruch de Spinoza
>>> (Sephardi Jew).
>>> Or should we favour the European culture that brought us the
>>> Inquisition, pogrom's, Fascism, Nazism, Communism, ethnic cleansing,
>>> religious persecution, endless wars, colonialism and national rivalry.
>>> Just face it, so called European culture are not isolated, nor an
>>> European invention and in many cases nothing to be proud over.
>>> As far as I see it all cultures, moral values and religions have the
>>> same value, even if I prefer the one I grew up with, if we just could
>>> get rid of the damn Christian church.
>> Is it not a contradictory statement you plead? All religions have the
>> same value but get rid of the damn Christian church...
>>
>> Regards
>> Mikael Forsberg- Dölj citerad text -
>>
>> - Visa citerad text -
>
> I want to get rid off all religions, so no it's not a contradictory
> statement.

I don't think religions should have any political power, but people
should be able to have the minds of their own, including religous
believs. As long as they don't harm others.

Regards
Mikael Forsberg

---

I want to get rid off all religions, so no it's not a contradictory
statement.

BW: Menneskene skaber guder udfra deres mor
Maria Antoinette var "dronningemoderen som forgudedes af folket indtil
socialister sortsværtede hendes rygte
Britiske dr Elisabeth var "dronningejomfru" som også samlede tropperne og
skabte religiøs patriotisme mod spanske angribere - og ladede op til at
Cromwell slog spansk-loyale katolikker ihjel ala holocaust på Irland
Hofintrigernes og politikfnidderes skitzo kamouflerer men vigtigt er at tro
og isme skaber spild af skattepenge, Markedsmekanismer betyder TRIVSEL FOR
ALLE

Ideologi er noget bras - tænk selvstændigt og Hvad du evner kast af i de
nærmeste krav - ikke i det indiske ocean , for nu at citere Glistrup.

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On 14 Dec, 14:04, "J. Anderson" <anderso...@inbox.lv> wrote:

>
> We want to fade down religion and churches, don't we? Why should we
> create new religious problems by giving fundamentalists free entry to
> our countries?

Well, I guess because most of us here embrace democracy, and the
backside with democracy are that even the loonies are permitted to
exist, including fundies, Nazis and grown men that play with mini
railroads.

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D K Palm kirjoitti:
> On 14 Dec, 14:04, "J. Anderson" <anderso...@inbox.lv> wrote:
>
>> We want to fade down religion and churches, don't we? Why should we
>> create new religious problems by giving fundamentalists free entry to
>> our countries?

> Well, I guess because most of us here embrace democracy, and the
> backside with democracy are that even the loonies are permitted to
> exist, including fundies, Nazis and grown men that play with mini
> railroads.

Permit someone to exist is not the same as inviting them under your own
roof. I don't think there is such a demand for extremism that we need to
import it. Welcome those who are willing to buy into our values, but
keep out the extremists, criminals and troublemakers. We owe them
nothing. If they settle in our house they live by the rules of the
house. We are not demanding them anything more than we demand from
ourselves.

--
Anton