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Plato On Making Love - And Defining Loneli~
Fra : Koos Nolst Trenite


Dato : 25-05-07 05:04

Plato On Making Love - And Defining Loneliness

14 November 2004
{HRI 20041114-V2.0.2}

(Version 2.0.2
on 29 June 2005)

'

When Making Love is feeling another person sexually, then, like all of
life, it is a spiritual matter, of course,

as any FEELING is spiritual. In fact, it defines spiritual.

'

Then we say, that Making Love is a matter of creating and of feeling
sexual Life Energy, and that doing so,

largely consists of feeling the soul of another, of the one with whom
you are creating and feeling sexual Energies.

'
'

Loneliness is (and therefore it is defined as) the blocking Energy
that is projected by a Criminal Mind, and that prevents you from
sensing and feeling the souls of other people.

Loneliness is not a normal condition, because normally you feel
people, wherever they are:

Therefore it is an enforced condition, 'loneliness' IS the Energy
that blocks you from feeling others, and that blocks others from
feeling you.

That Energy, as you know by now, is only inflicted by
Criminal Minds

- because normal people want others to enjoy and to
feel each other. *(1)

'

You can remove that Energy, as it also responds to your
thought, and - 'Poof!' - the loneliness is gone the moment
you can feel the soul of others again,

which has nothing to do with distance, by the way,
because you can be in a crowd or in a city, and still
feel lonely; or on the other hand,

you can feel the soul of someone you love, the warmth
and aliveness of true love, and you can also feel the
sexual feelings someone has for you, from a thousand
miles away.

Feeling - any feeling - is spiritual.

So also what people call by all kind of strange
names, such as "self-pleasure" or such, or 'you
have sex with yourself,' there is much
interaction going on at a spiritual level,

which people are educated not to talk about to
each other, or they pretend that sex is "not
spiritual," and they expect, that you do not
mention, at least not in words, that you were
happy to feel their sexual feelings for you.
*(11)

And these feelings are indeed connecting Energies.

Thus you feel the soul, the person - and you feel the
loving and caring, and also the sexual Energy, if
projected at you, or at or into your body, from
another for you. Or maybe just the Energy of a kiss
on your forehead, or a radiation of another's intense
happiness about you.

'
'

Criminal Minds try to block that connecting,

they try to mess it up, to get in
between, and they do all kind of most
repulsive and unimaginably indecent
things, spiritually,

they impersonate (making it feel to you
AS IF "you feel the one whom you do
love"), and

they pull away your connecting Energies,
your Love Energy, and your Sexual Energy
too, and even your Energy for DESIRING to
connect and for DESIRING to feel, and

that blocking is done with harmful Energies and
with extremely mean lies, that they create and
project for you to feel "as true," or "as your
own,"

Energies intending to make you feel lonely,

Energies that intend to prevent you from
feeling Love, and to stop you from feeling
Beautiful sexual sensations, *(4)

Energies that try to make you feel Pain or
Ugliness when you desire sexual feelings, etc.,
and that result eventually in various medical
conditions "of old age," if those Energies are
not removed in one way or the other. *(2)(12)

'
'

Criminal Minds try to separate people, and they try
to and do make people sick,

and they try to and do confuse your understanding of
life even by separating and making things seem to be
opposed that naturally are not separate and not
opposed at all:

Such as 'thinking and feeling,'

(feeling IS - a very efficient
form of - thinking; and
thinking IS feeling things
about a certain subject).
*(2)

and 'emotion and reason,'

(your emotions are how you
connect to life, and about
how life connects to you or
is felt by you, and naturally
that is guided by you with
reason - that already DEFINES
sanity). *(11)

'

And Criminal Minds try to make it so, that also Love
and Sexual feelings "oppose each other," like "Pure
Love can only be pure without sexual feelings," and
so on. *(3)

But Love and sexual feelings are
very much related, and it is rather
a matter of how well you direct
those that you feel from yourself,
to others, and

how you handle those that you feel
(and that exist whether you feel
them or not, or whether you like
these or do not like these) from
others, to you;

and it is rather a matter also of
how well you relate these feelings
to the type of body (gender) you
have,

how well you are able
- meaning not handicapped -
in desiring to feel your own
body as it is (its gender)
and also in desiring to feel
the opposite gender,

in connection with these feelings.
*(3)(4)

'
'
'

And if you have sex with another, you want of course - because you are
a human being and not an animal - to see or feel or sense the soul of
another.

Feeling another person sexually, is, like all of life,
entirely a spiritual matter, and all feeling IS spiritual.

And this then makes obvious, what you already know and have
felt:

That you can, and do indeed feel another sexually also without
physically touching,

which you may call Platonic sex, if you like, and which is part
of every day life and of every night too,

and, in the case of Plato certainly, is an expression of
one's intense Love, and is Beauty felt, and is Truth
followed.

'
'
So when a man and a woman meet, who very strongly love each
other, then there is a great deal of Platonic sex occurring
between them, also when their bodies do not touch, and even when
they are thousands of miles apart.

Such is the nature of life, and of Love between man and
woman.

The above example, of course, applies when they are
not already in another sexual relation that feeds and
satisfies their desires.

'
'

Having sex is a tremendously powerful expression of Love between a man
and a woman who really Love each other, and then also

having that sex indeed brings about an enormous increase of Love

(by and while having sex as an expression of Love, and when it is
based on Truth and on Beauty, then - as you know of lovers - they
strongly create the Energy of Love, and thus health and sanity
*(5))

not only in themselves and in each other, but also in the world at
large.

'

Thus to wait for or want to be given permission to do so, from anyone,
is a situation and condition that must be avoided and handled by any
available means

by which you counter those Criminal Minds *(6)(7)(8)(9) who since
ever installed and who forever will try to continue to enforce
rules, customs or even laws

by which they,

Criminal Minds and the Destructive Cowards who help them,
with a never ending stream of pretenses,

try to prevent you or to hinder you and others from being alive,
and

who try, as much as they can, to hinder you and others who ARE
capable of great Love,

to create and express such tremendously powerful and socially
enormously beneficial Love also by having sex. *(10)

'

Having sex is then indeed making Love - to increase the Trinity of
Beauty, Truth and Love *(5) - and it should be.

Koos Nolst Trenite "Cause Trinity"
human rights philosopher and poet

'God gave Solomon wisdom
and very great insight,
and a breadth of understanding
as measureless
as the sand on the seashore.'

1 Kings 4:29

_________
Footnotes:

(1) 'The Feeling "When God Has Left You..."
- Introduction to 'What is Hell' ' {HRI 20031124-V3.2}
(24 November 2003 - Version 3.2 on 16 May 2005)
http://www.googlegroups.com/group/alt.religion/msg/3c6799e5a78fbda5?fwc=1

(2) 'Fine Particle Physics To Understand Psychosis'
{HRI 20030227-V2.2} (27 Feb 2003 - Version 2.2 on 23 Jan 2005)
http://www.googlegroups.com/group/sci.med/msg/a3940363702cebcf?fwc=1

(3) 'A Definition Of Celibacy' {HRI 20050617-V1.0.1}
(17 June 2005) (Version 1.0.1)
http://www.googlegroups.com/group/soc.culture.europe/msg/d6d00d0f0b3d4529?fwc=1

(4) 'About Sexual Orientation' {HRI 20050619} (19 June 2005)
http://www.googlegroups.com/group/sci.anthropology/msg/8b802829a1da95d8?fwc=

(5) 'The Trinity Of Science - Truth, Love and Beauty'
{HRI 20030307-pi-1-V2.1} (7 Mar 2003 - Ver. 2.1 on 17 Oct 2003)
http://www.googlegroups.com/group/soc.culture.europe/msg/4129fa4f1a67840e?fwc=1

(6) 'Rights of Criminal Minds' {HRI 20040108} (8 January 2004)
http://www.googlegroups.com/group/talk.politics.misc/msg/4a17f5ae89e89655?fwc=1

(7) 'If Pilate Had Provided King Solomon's Justice...'
{HRI 20041102-V1.3}
(2 November 2004 - Version 1.3 on 2 Apr 2005)
http://www.googlegroups.com/group/human-rights-issues/msg/8a0076d89f741b32?fwc=1

(8) 'Standard Behavior Of Criminal Minds' {HRI 20030509-V3.1}
(9 May 2003 - Version 3.1 on 2 Dec 2004)
http://www.googlegroups.com/group/soc.culture.europe/msg/18cf685cdd5b76f1?fwc=1

(9) 'Detecting Criminal Minds By Their Intentional Omission Of Vital
Truth' {HRI 20020819-V2.2.3}
(19 August 2002 - Version 2.2.3 on 12 May 2005)
http://www.googlegroups.com/group/talk.politics.misc/msg/53a97b173ef36240?fwc=1

(10) 'Defining Love And Hate - A Law Of Life'
(29 July 2002 - Version 2.0i on 7 January 2003)
http://www.googlegroups.com/group/Koos-Nolst-Trenite/msg/40d2a6d4cadc84b1

(11) 'Definition Of Sanity' {HRI 20040410-V1.2}
(10 April 2004 - Version 1.2 at 16 Apr 2004)
http://www.googlegroups.com/group/soc.culture.europe/msg/c8a9a92d555dfaa0?fwc=1

(12) 'What IS Depression or Lethargy' {HRI 20041107-V2.2}
(7 November 2004 - Version 2.2 on 14 Dec 2004)
http://www.googlegroups.com/group/sci.med/msg/e3f79cb2f78d2145?fwc=1
'

________
See also:

(nn) 'Leonardo Da Vinci - About Aliens, Dimensions, Consciousness,
Time, And Earth's Past And Future' {HRI 20040829-V3.4.2}
(29 August 2004 - Version 3.4.2 on 19 June 2005)
http://www.googlegroups.com/group/soc.culture.europe/msg/188f95bcf723f26b?fwc=1
'

____________
Verification:

http://www.angelfire.com/space/platoworld

Copyright 2004, 2005 by Koos Nolst Trenite - human rights philosopher
and poet
This is 'learnware' - it may not be altered, and it is free for
anyone who learns from it, and (even if he can not learn from it)
who passes it on unaltered, and with this message included,
to others who might be able to learn from it.
None of my writings may be used, ever, to support any political
or religious or scientific agenda, but only to educate, and to
encourage people to judge un-dominated and for themselves,
about any organizations or individuals.
Send free-of-Envy and free-of-Hate, Beautiful e-mails to:
PlatoWorld at Lycos.com
(address unreadable for Internet robots
- replace ' at ' with the '@' symbol)


 
 
Sta@r (25-05-2007)
Kommentar
Fra : Sta@r


Dato : 25-05-07 15:45


"Koos Nolst Trenite" <AmbassadorForMankind@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
news:1180065840.196697.58520@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> Plato On Making Love - And Defining Loneliness
>
> 14 November 2004
> {HRI 20041114-V2.0.2}
>
> (Version 2.0.2
> on 29 June 2005)
>
> '
>
> When Making Love is feeling another person sexually, then, like all of
> life, it is a spiritual matter, of course,
>
> as any FEELING is spiritual. In fact, it defines spiritual.
>
> '
>
> Then we say, that Making Love is a matter of creating and of feeling
> sexual Life Energy, and that doing so,
>
> largely consists of feeling the soul of another, of the one with whom
> you are creating and feeling sexual Energies.
>
> '
> '
>
> Loneliness is (and therefore it is defined as) the blocking Energy
> that is projected by a Criminal Mind, and that prevents you from
> sensing and feeling the souls of other people.
>
> Loneliness is not a normal condition, because normally you feel
> people, wherever they are:
>
> Therefore it is an enforced condition, 'loneliness' IS the Energy
> that blocks you from feeling others, and that blocks others from
> feeling you.
>
> That Energy, as you know by now, is only inflicted by
> Criminal Minds
>
> - because normal people want others to enjoy and to
> feel each other. *(1)
>
> '
>
> You can remove that Energy, as it also responds to your
> thought, and - 'Poof!' - the loneliness is gone the moment
> you can feel the soul of others again,
>
> which has nothing to do with distance, by the way,
> because you can be in a crowd or in a city, and still
> feel lonely; or on the other hand,
>
> you can feel the soul of someone you love, the warmth
> and aliveness of true love, and you can also feel the
> sexual feelings someone has for you, from a thousand
> miles away.
>
> Feeling - any feeling - is spiritual.
>
> So also what people call by all kind of strange
> names, such as "self-pleasure" or such, or 'you
> have sex with yourself,' there is much
> interaction going on at a spiritual level,
>
> which people are educated not to talk about to
> each other, or they pretend that sex is "not
> spiritual," and they expect, that you do not
> mention, at least not in words, that you were
> happy to feel their sexual feelings for you.
> *(11)
>
> And these feelings are indeed connecting Energies.
>
> Thus you feel the soul, the person - and you feel the
> loving and caring, and also the sexual Energy, if
> projected at you, or at or into your body, from
> another for you. Or maybe just the Energy of a kiss
> on your forehead, or a radiation of another's intense
> happiness about you.
>
> '
> '
>
> Criminal Minds try to block that connecting,
>
> they try to mess it up, to get in
> between, and they do all kind of most
> repulsive and unimaginably indecent
> things, spiritually,
>
> they impersonate (making it feel to you
> AS IF "you feel the one whom you do
> love"), and
>
> they pull away your connecting Energies,
> your Love Energy, and your Sexual Energy
> too, and even your Energy for DESIRING to
> connect and for DESIRING to feel, and
>
> that blocking is done with harmful Energies and
> with extremely mean lies, that they create and
> project for you to feel "as true," or "as your
> own,"
>
> Energies intending to make you feel lonely,
>
> Energies that intend to prevent you from
> feeling Love, and to stop you from feeling
> Beautiful sexual sensations, *(4)
>
> Energies that try to make you feel Pain or
> Ugliness when you desire sexual feelings, etc.,
> and that result eventually in various medical
> conditions "of old age," if those Energies are
> not removed in one way or the other. *(2)(12)
>
> '
> '
>
> Criminal Minds try to separate people, and they try
> to and do make people sick,
>
> and they try to and do confuse your understanding of
> life even by separating and making things seem to be
> opposed that naturally are not separate and not
> opposed at all:
>
> Such as 'thinking and feeling,'
>
> (feeling IS - a very efficient
> form of - thinking; and
> thinking IS feeling things
> about a certain subject).
> *(2)
>
> and 'emotion and reason,'
>
> (your emotions are how you
> connect to life, and about
> how life connects to you or
> is felt by you, and naturally
> that is guided by you with
> reason - that already DEFINES
> sanity). *(11)
>
> '
>
> And Criminal Minds try to make it so, that also Love
> and Sexual feelings "oppose each other," like "Pure
> Love can only be pure without sexual feelings," and
> so on. *(3)
>
> But Love and sexual feelings are
> very much related, and it is rather
> a matter of how well you direct
> those that you feel from yourself,
> to others, and
>
> how you handle those that you feel
> (and that exist whether you feel
> them or not, or whether you like
> these or do not like these) from
> others, to you;
>
> and it is rather a matter also of
> how well you relate these feelings
> to the type of body (gender) you
> have,
>
> how well you are able
> - meaning not handicapped -
> in desiring to feel your own
> body as it is (its gender)
> and also in desiring to feel
> the opposite gender,
>
> in connection with these feelings.
> *(3)(4)
>
> '
> '
> '
>
> And if you have sex with another, you want of course - because you are
> a human being and not an animal - to see or feel or sense the soul of
> another.
>
> Feeling another person sexually, is, like all of life,
> entirely a spiritual matter, and all feeling IS spiritual.
>
> And this then makes obvious, what you already know and have
> felt:
>
> That you can, and do indeed feel another sexually also without
> physically touching,
>
> which you may call Platonic sex, if you like, and which is part
> of every day life and of every night too,
>
> and, in the case of Plato certainly, is an expression of
> one's intense Love, and is Beauty felt, and is Truth
> followed.
>
> '
> '
> So when a man and a woman meet, who very strongly love each
> other, then there is a great deal of Platonic sex occurring
> between them, also when their bodies do not touch, and even when
> they are thousands of miles apart.
>
> Such is the nature of life, and of Love between man and
> woman.
>
> The above example, of course, applies when they are
> not already in another sexual relation that feeds and
> satisfies their desires.
>
> '
> '
>
> Having sex is a tremendously powerful expression of Love between a man
> and a woman who really Love each other, and then also
>
> having that sex indeed brings about an enormous increase of Love
>
> (by and while having sex as an expression of Love, and when it is
> based on Truth and on Beauty, then - as you know of lovers - they
> strongly create the Energy of Love, and thus health and sanity
> *(5))
>
> not only in themselves and in each other, but also in the world at
> large.
>
> '
>
> Thus to wait for or want to be given permission to do so, from anyone,
> is a situation and condition that must be avoided and handled by any
> available means
>
> by which you counter those Criminal Minds *(6)(7)(8)(9) who since
> ever installed and who forever will try to continue to enforce
> rules, customs or even laws
>
> by which they,
>
> Criminal Minds and the Destructive Cowards who help them,
> with a never ending stream of pretenses,
>
> try to prevent you or to hinder you and others from being alive,
> and
>
> who try, as much as they can, to hinder you and others who ARE
> capable of great Love,
>
> to create and express such tremendously powerful and socially
> enormously beneficial Love also by having sex. *(10)
>
> '
>
> Having sex is then indeed making Love - to increase the Trinity of
> Beauty, Truth and Love *(5) - and it should be.
>
> Koos Nolst Trenite "Cause Trinity"
> human rights philosopher and poet
>
> 'God gave Solomon wisdom
> and very great insight,
> and a breadth of understanding
> as measureless
> as the sand on the seashore.'
>
> 1 Kings 4:29
>
> _________
> Footnotes:
>
> (1) 'The Feeling "When God Has Left You..."
> - Introduction to 'What is Hell' ' {HRI 20031124-V3.2}
> (24 November 2003 - Version 3.2 on 16 May 2005)
> http://www.googlegroups.com/group/alt.religion/msg/3c6799e5a78fbda5?fwc=1
>
> (2) 'Fine Particle Physics To Understand Psychosis'
> {HRI 20030227-V2.2} (27 Feb 2003 - Version 2.2 on 23 Jan 2005)
> http://www.googlegroups.com/group/sci.med/msg/a3940363702cebcf?fwc=1
>
> (3) 'A Definition Of Celibacy' {HRI 20050617-V1.0.1}
> (17 June 2005) (Version 1.0.1)
>
http://www.googlegroups.com/group/soc.culture.europe/msg/d6d00d0f0b3d4529?fwc=1
>
> (4) 'About Sexual Orientation' {HRI 20050619} (19 June 2005)
>
http://www.googlegroups.com/group/sci.anthropology/msg/8b802829a1da95d8?fwc=
>
> (5) 'The Trinity Of Science - Truth, Love and Beauty'
> {HRI 20030307-pi-1-V2.1} (7 Mar 2003 - Ver. 2.1 on 17 Oct 2003)
>
http://www.googlegroups.com/group/soc.culture.europe/msg/4129fa4f1a67840e?fwc=1
>
> (6) 'Rights of Criminal Minds' {HRI 20040108} (8 January 2004)
>
http://www.googlegroups.com/group/talk.politics.misc/msg/4a17f5ae89e89655?fwc=1
>
> (7) 'If Pilate Had Provided King Solomon's Justice...'
> {HRI 20041102-V1.3}
> (2 November 2004 - Version 1.3 on 2 Apr 2005)
>
http://www.googlegroups.com/group/human-rights-issues/msg/8a0076d89f741b32?fwc=1
>
> (8) 'Standard Behavior Of Criminal Minds' {HRI 20030509-V3.1}
> (9 May 2003 - Version 3.1 on 2 Dec 2004)
>
http://www.googlegroups.com/group/soc.culture.europe/msg/18cf685cdd5b76f1?fwc=1
>
> (9) 'Detecting Criminal Minds By Their Intentional Omission Of Vital
> Truth' {HRI 20020819-V2.2.3}
> (19 August 2002 - Version 2.2.3 on 12 May 2005)
>
http://www.googlegroups.com/group/talk.politics.misc/msg/53a97b173ef36240?fwc=1
>
> (10) 'Defining Love And Hate - A Law Of Life'
> (29 July 2002 - Version 2.0i on 7 January 2003)
> http://www.googlegroups.com/group/Koos-Nolst-Trenite/msg/40d2a6d4cadc84b1
>
> (11) 'Definition Of Sanity' {HRI 20040410-V1.2}
> (10 April 2004 - Version 1.2 at 16 Apr 2004)
>
http://www.googlegroups.com/group/soc.culture.europe/msg/c8a9a92d555dfaa0?fwc=1
>
> (12) 'What IS Depression or Lethargy' {HRI 20041107-V2.2}
> (7 November 2004 - Version 2.2 on 14 Dec 2004)
> http://www.googlegroups.com/group/sci.med/msg/e3f79cb2f78d2145?fwc=1
> '
>
> ________
> See also:
>
> (nn) 'Leonardo Da Vinci - About Aliens, Dimensions, Consciousness,
> Time, And Earth's Past And Future' {HRI 20040829-V3.4.2}
> (29 August 2004 - Version 3.4.2 on 19 June 2005)
>
http://www.googlegroups.com/group/soc.culture.europe/msg/188f95bcf723f26b?fwc=1
> '
>
> ____________
> Verification:
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/space/platoworld
>
> Copyright 2004, 2005 by Koos Nolst Trenite - human rights philosopher
> and poet
> This is 'learnware' - it may not be altered, and it is free for
> anyone who learns from it, and (even if he can not learn from it)
> who passes it on unaltered, and with this message included,
> to others who might be able to learn from it.
> None of my writings may be used, ever, to support any political
> or religious or scientific agenda, but only to educate, and to
> encourage people to judge un-dominated and for themselves,
> about any organizations or individuals.
> Send free-of-Envy and free-of-Hate, Beautiful e-mails to:
> PlatoWorld at Lycos.com
> (address unreadable for Internet robots
> - replace ' at ' with the '@' symbol)
>
why is heraclitus called the dark one?



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