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En indlægger her har tidligere kaldt England "Det velfungerende
multikulturelle samfund", - hvilket jeg mindedes da jeg lige faldt over en
artikel i den seriøse avis "The Independent".

Man har fra ministeriets side fundet, at der blandt de 10 til 19 årige er
480.000 regulære bandemedlemmer, hvilket ville svare til 44.000 i Danmark, -
et enormt tal. Mon det er noget, vi også kan se frem til, vi er jo nogle år
bagud for UK?

Iøvrigt har de - som her - nu en masse knivstikkeri som man ikke så før, og
man kan i øjeblikket få op til fire år i spjældet for at gå med en kniv.
Toryerne vil have loven ændret, så man kan få op til fem år i skyggen for at
bære kniv, uden at have nogen gyldig grund til det.

Det ER lidt mærkeligt så parallelle forskellige ting er i de vestlige lande,
det samme ser ud til at ske alle vegne, fx bliver flere og flere asociale og
krop-umulige, ender vi mon med at ligne byer som Lagos eller Nairobi? Godt
vi i det mindste er så lille et land, vi har formodentlig altid en chance
for at få kontrol med uheldige udviklinger, hvis vi satser hårdt nok.


Men Allah har bestemt det hele i forvejen, så det går nok ikke så galt, -
han er så flink en mand.

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Knud Larsen <larsensknud@yahoo.dk> wrote:

> En indlægger her har tidligere kaldt England "Det velfungerende
> multikulturelle samfund", - hvilket jeg mindedes da jeg lige faldt over en
> artikel i den seriøse avis "The Independent".
>
> Man har fra ministeriets side fundet, at der blandt de 10 til 19 årige er
> 480.000 regulære bandemedlemmer, hvilket ville svare til 44.000 i Danmark, -
> et enormt tal. Mon det er noget, vi også kan se frem til, vi er jo nogle år
> bagud for UK?
>
> Iøvrigt har de - som her - nu en masse knivstikkeri som man ikke så før, og
> man kan i øjeblikket få op til fire år i spjældet for at gå med en kniv.
> Toryerne vil have loven ændret, så man kan få op til fem år i skyggen for at
> bære kniv, uden at have nogen gyldig grund til det.
>
> Det ER lidt mærkeligt så parallelle forskellige ting er i de vestlige lande,
> det samme ser ud til at ske alle vegne, fx bliver flere og flere asociale og
> krop-umulige, ender vi mon med at ligne byer som Lagos eller Nairobi? Godt
> vi i det mindste er så lille et land, vi har formodentlig altid en chance
> for at få kontrol med uheldige udviklinger, hvis vi satser hårdt nok.
>
>
> Men Allah har bestemt det hele i forvejen, så det går nok ikke så galt, -
> han er så flink en mand.

Det plejer at være Canada der fremhæves som et multi-kulturelt
mønstersamfund i den Angliske verden...

--
regards, Peter Bjørn Perlsø
http://haxor.dk - http://liberterran.org - http://haxor.dk/fanaticism/ -
http://planetarybillofrights.org/ - http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/

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"Knud Larsen" <larsensknud@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:447f3a10$0$60783$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk...
> En indlægger her har tidligere kaldt England "Det velfungerende
> multikulturelle samfund", - hvilket jeg mindedes da jeg lige faldt over en
> artikel i den seriøse avis "The Independent".
>
> Man har fra ministeriets side fundet, at der blandt de 10 til 19 årige er
> 480.000 regulære bandemedlemmer, hvilket ville svare til 44.000 i
> Danmark, - et enormt tal. Mon det er noget, vi også kan se frem til, vi er
> jo nogle år bagud for UK?

Og her er lidt om emnet knivstikkerier fra "The Guardian":


Daniel is a student and, like the other young people, works at Live, a
not-for-profit organisation which publishes a quarterly magazine written and
edited by 12- to 21-year-olds in Brixton. He says he has "done a little bit
wrong in the past, but admits he is scared by the omnipresence of knives and
other lethal weapons where he lives. "I do get scared. I get stopped all the
time by little youths just thinking they are big on the streets cos they are
in a group. I've seen people as young as 13, 14 carrying knives. Most young
people these days do carry knives, or say they do, if they are going out to
make trouble."

Craig Brown, 17, says he has seen eight- and nine-year-olds carrying knives.
Why do they do it? "The main reason I think they carry them is because their
mums don't give them money and they're too young to get a job or whatever.
They think that's the way to try to make money. The other one is petty
arguments. Start arguing, beefing, and if they're not strong enough to fight
they'll carry a weapon. First it was hammers, then it moved into knives,
bricks, everything." They get them from home, he says, taking a knife from
the kitchen if they need to.

"You get more street cred if you've got a weapon, don't you?" says Kalise
Cross, 20. "People will respect you, people won't touch you. That's the way
it is.

"But they're scared though," adds 20-year-old Shola Aleje, "you can see it.
When they pick up a gun or a knife you can tell they're scared shitless."

Daniel says: "The young ones ... they don't know the meaning of life yet so
they don't mind taking it away. They don't know what it is."

They describe the spiral of knife possession: children desperate to hang out
with bigger kids are persuaded to carry drugs or weapons for the gang as
they are less likely to be stopped by police. Gradually they become more
confident and begin to brandish or even use the knives. And other young
people, intimidated or bullied, start to carry their own to make themselves
feel more secure.

These young people are themselves astonished by the easy availability of
weapons in the areas they live. They talk with amazement about a shop in
south London selling guns, samurai swords, knuckledusters, baseball bats
with spikes, flick-knives. All of them, at present, could legally walk into
the shop and buy a knife.

So will longer sentences deter youngsters? Kalise is certain they will not.
"I know a boy who was 15 or something and he went to prison for carrying a
gun. And because he went in for that, his name has just blown up in the
area. As soon as he comes out he's going to be back up where he started, but
bigger. His name's big now."

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But they all say the problem is getting worse, year by year. "Definitely,
and it's going to keep getting worse," says Kalise. Craig says: "I just say
wait for the summer. That's when everyone's off school and has nothing to
do. They're restless. That's when you'll see it."

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The numbers


Number of homicides in 2004-05 caused by a blade or sharp instrument: 236


Number of people who were victims of knife crime in 2005: 2,859


Proportion of schoolchildren aged 15 and 16 who admit to routinely carrying
a knife: 1 in 4


Percentage of schoolchildren who carry knives and admit having used them
against people: 16%


Number of knife offences, including possession, recorded by police last
year: 4,900


Percentage of those convicted of possession of knives who were jailed in
2004: 14%