Per Rønne <per@RQNNE.invalid> wrote:
> ==
> I et større interview i Sunday Telegraph kritiserer dr. Patrick Sookhdeo
> kraftigt Tony Blair-regeringen for at have et naivt syn på integration
> af muslimer. Sookhdeo er født som muslim i Guyana, og kom til
> Storbritannien som tiårig. Han har en phd. i islam fra University of
> London. I dag er han konverteret til kristendom og er leder af Institute
> for The Study of Islam and Christianity, en kristen
> forskningsorganisation.
> »Problemet er, at Tony Blair og hans ministre ser islam gennem deres
> egne sekulære briller. De fatter ganske enkelt ikke, hvor alvorligt
> muslimer tager deres religion. Islamiske præster ser sig selv som
> værende fanget i en dødelig kamp mod det sekulære samfund,« siger doktor
> Sookhdeo.
> Ifølge ham vil den dag komme, hvor britiske muslimer kræver at få en
> stat i staten, hvor de kan dyrker sharialovgivningen. Staten har
> allerede tilladt et Sharia Råd, og muslimer får lov at afgøre visse
> privatretlige anliggender efter deres egne religiøse love. Der er i dag
> muslimske mænd, som presser på for, at den britiske regering skal
> anerkende flerkoneri som en del af deres religiøse rettigheder, påpeger
> Patrick Sookhdeo.
> »Hvis ikke regeringen gør det klart, at kun britisk lov gælder, frygter
> jeg, at islamiske samfund i Storbritannien vil udforme deres egne
> regler, og at religion vil optage en stadig større del af det politiske
> liv,« lyder det fra Patrick Sookhdeo.
> ==
>
> Det fulde interview kan ses her:
>
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/19/nsharia
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Interviewet:
'The day is coming when British Muslims form a state within a state'
By Alasdair Palmer
(Filed: 19/02/2006)
For the past two weeks, Patrick Sookhdeo has been canvassing the
opinions of Muslim clerics in Britain on the row over the cartoons
featuring images of Mohammed that were first published in Denmark and
then reprinted in several other European countries.
"They think they have won the debate," he says with a sigh. "They
believe that the British Government has capitulated to them, because it
feared the consequences if it did not.
"The cartoons, you see, have not been published in this country, and the
Government has been very critical of those countries in which they were
published. To many of the Islamic clerics, that's a clear victory.
"It's confirmation of what they believe to be a familiar pattern: if
spokesmen for British Muslims threaten what they call 'adverse
consequences' - violence to the rest of us - then the British Government
will cave in. I think it is a very dangerous precedent."
Dr Sookhdeo adds that he believes that "in a decade, you will see parts
of English cities which are controlled by Muslim clerics and which
follow, not the common law, but aspects of Muslim sharia law.
"It is already starting to happen - and unless the Government changes
the way it treats the so-called leaders of the Islamic community, it
will continue."
For someone with such strong and uncompromising views, Dr Sookhdeo is a
surprisingly gentle and easy-going man. He speaks with authority on
Islam, as it was his first faith: he was brought up as a Muslim in
Guyana, the only English colony in South America, and attended a
madrassa there.
"But Islamic instruction was very different in the 1950s, when I was at
school," he says. "There was no talk of suicide bombing or indeed of
violence of any kind. Islam was very peaceful."
Dr Sookhdeo's family emigrated to England when he was 10. In his early
twenties, when he was at university, he converted to Christianity. "I
had simply seen it as the white man's religion, the religion of the
colonialists and the oppressors - in a very similar way, in fact, to the
way that many Muslims see Christianity today.
" Leaving Islam was not easy. According to the literal interpretation of
the Koran, the punishment for apostasy is death - and it actually is
punished by death in some Middle Eastern states. "It wasn't quite like
that here," he says, "although it was traumatic in some ways."
Dr Sookhdeo continued to study Islam, doing a PhD at London University
on the religion. He is currently director of the Institute for the Study
of Islam and Christianity. He also advises the Army on security issues
related to Islam.
Several years ago, Dr Sookhdeo insisted that the next wave of radical
Islam in Britain would involve suicide bombings in this country. His
prediction was depressingly confirmed on 7/7 last year.
So his claim that, in the next decade, the Muslim community in Britain
will not be integrated into mainstream British society, but will isolate
itself to a much greater extent, carries weight behind it. Dr Sookhdeo
has proved his prescience.
"The Government, and Tony Blair, the Prime Minister, are fundamentally
deluded about the nature of Islam," he insists. "Tony Blair
unintentionally revealed his ignorance when he said, in an effort to
conciliate Muslims, that he had 'read through the Koran twice' and that
he kept it by his bedside.
"He thought he was saying something which showed how seriously he took
Islam. But most Muslims thought it was a joke, if not an insult.
Because, of course, every Muslim knows that you cannot read the Koran
through from cover to cover and understand it.
The chapters are not written to be read in that way. Indeed, after the
first chapter, the chapters of the Koran are ordered according to their
length, not according to their content or chronology: the longest
chapters are first, the shorter ones are at the end.
"You need to know which passage was revealed at what period and in what
time in order to be able to understand it - you cannot simply read it
from beginning to end and expect to learn anything at all.
"That is one reason why it takes so long to be able to read and
understand the Koran: the meaning of any part of it depends on a
knowledge of its context - a context that is not in the Koran itself."
The Prime Minister's ignorance of Islam, Dr Sookhdeo contends, is of a
piece with his unsuccessful attempts to conciliate it. And it does
indeed seem as if the Government's policy towards radical Islam is based
on the hope that if it makes concessions to its leaders, they will
reciprocate and relations between fundamentalist Muslims and Tony
Blair's Government will then turn into something resembling an
ecumenical prayer meeting.
Dr Sookhdeo nods in vigorous agreement with that. "Yes - and it is a
very big mistake. Look at what happened in the 1990s. The security
services knew about Abu Hamza and the preachers like him. They knew that
London was becoming the centre for Islamic terrorists. The police knew.
The Government knew. Yet nothing was done.
"The whole approach towards Muslim militants was based on appeasement.
7/7 proved that that approach does not work - yet it is still being
followed. For example, there is a book, The Noble Koran: a New Rendering
of its Meaning in English, which is openly available in Muslim
bookshops.
"It calls for the killing of Jews and Christians, and it sets out a
strategy for killing the infidels and for warfare against them. The
Government has done nothing whatever to interfere with the sale of that
book.
"Why not? Government ministers have promised to punish religious hatred,
to criminalise the glorification of terrorism, yet they do nothing about
this book, which blatantly does both."
Perhaps the explanation is just that they do not take it seriously. "I
fear that is exactly the problem," says Dr Sookhdeo. "The trouble is
that Tony Blair and other ministers see Islam through the prism of their
own secular outlook.
They simply do not realise how seriously Muslims take their religion.
Islamic clerics regard themselves as locked in mortal combat with
secularism.
"For example, one of the fundamental notions of a secular society is the
moral importance of freedom, of individual choice. But in Islam, choice
is not allowable: there cannot be free choice about whether to choose or
reject any of the fundamental aspects of the religion, because they are
all divinely ordained. God has laid down the law, and man must obey.
'Islamic clerics do not believe in a society in which Islam is one
religion among others in a society ruled by basically non-religious
laws. They believe it must be the dominant religion - and it is their
aim to achieve this.
"That is why they do not believe in integration. In 1980, the Islamic
Council of Europe laid out their strategy for the future - and the
fundamental rule was never dilute your presence. That is to say, do not
integrate.
"Rather, concentrate Muslim presence in a particular area until you are
a majority in that area, so that the institutions of the local community
come to reflect Islamic structures. The education system will be
Islamic, the shops will serve only halal food, there will be no
advertisements showing naked or semi-naked women, and so on."
That plan, says Dr Sookhdeo, is being followed in Britain. "That is why
you are seeing areas which are now almost totally Muslim. The next step
will be pushing the Government to recognise sharia law for Muslim
communities - which will be backed up by the claim that it is "racist"
or "Islamophobic" or "violating the rights of Muslims" to deny them
sharia law.
"There's already a Sharia Law Council for the UK. The Government has
already started making concessions: it has changed the law so that there
are sharia-compliant mortgages and sharia pensions.
"Some Muslims are now pressing to be allowed four wives: they say it is
part of their religion. They claim that not being allowed four wives is
a denial of their religious liberty. There are Muslim men in Britain who
marry and divorce three women, then marry a fourth time - and stay
married, in sharia law, to all four.
"The more fundamentalist clerics think that it is only a matter of time
before they will persuade the Government to concede on the issue of
sharia law. Given the Government's record of capitulating, you can see
why they believe that."
Dr Sookhdeo's vision of a relentless battle between secular and Islamic
Britain seems hard to reconcile with the co-operation that seems to mark
the vast majority of the interactions between the two communities.
"Well, it isn't me who says Islam is at war with secularisation," he
says. "That's how Islamic clerics describe the situation."
But isn't it true that most Muslims who live in theocratic states want
to get out of them as quickly as possible and live in a secular country
such as Britain or America? And that most Muslims who come to Britain
adopt the values of a liberal, democratic, tolerant society, rather than
insisting on the inflexible rules of their religion?
"You have to distinguish between ordinary Muslims and their
self-appointed leaders," explains Dr Sookhdeo. "I agree that the best
hope for our collective future is that the majority of Muslims who have
grown up here have accepted the secular nature of the British state and
society, the division between religion and politics, and the importance
of allowing people to choose freely how they will live.
"But that is not how most of the clerics talk. And, more significantly,
it is not how the 'community leaders' whom the Government has decided
represent the Muslim community think either.
"Take, for example, Tariq Ramadan, whom the Government has appointed as
an adviser because ministers think he is a 'community leader'. Ramadan
sounds, in public, very moderate. But in reality, he has some very
extreme views. He attacks liberal Muslims as 'Muslims without Islam'. He
is affiliated to the violent and uncompromising Muslim Brotherhood.
"He calls the education in the state schools of the West 'aggression
against the Islamic personality of the child'. He has said that 'the
Muslim respects the laws of the country only if they do not contradict
any Islamic principle'. He has added that 'compromising on principles is
a sign of fear and weakness'."
So what's the answer? What should the Government be doing? "First, it
should try to engage with the real Muslim majority, not with the
self-appointed 'community leaders' who don't actually represent anyone:
they have not been elected, and the vast majority of ordinary Muslims
have nothing to do with them.
"Second, the Government should say no to faith-based schools, because
they are a block to integration. There should be no compromise over
education, or over English as the language of education. The policy of
political multiculturalism should be reversed.
"The hope was that it would to ensure separate communities would soften
at the edges and integrate. But the opposite has in fact happened:
Islamic communities have hardened. There is much less integration than
there was for the generation that arrived when I did. There will be much
less in the future if the present trend continues.
"Finally, the Government should make it absolutely clear: we welcome
diversity, we welcome different religions - but all of them have to
accept the secular basis of British law and society. That is a
non-negotiable condition of being here.
"If the Government does not do all of those things then I fear for the
future, because Islamic communities within Britain will form a state
within a state. Religion will occupy an ever-larger place in our
collective political life. And, speaking as a religious man myself, I
fear that outcome."
--
Per Erik Rønne
http://www.RQNNE.dk