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Muslim Outrage - The truth about islam (an~
Fra : Martin Jørgensen


Dato : 19-02-06 12:54

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----------------

Muslim outrage, huh. OK ... let's do a little historical review. Just
some lowlights:

Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City. No
Muslim outrage.

Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape
a
burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim outrage.

Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to
school in Indonesia. A Christian school. No Muslim outrage.

Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq. No
Muslim outrage.

Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels
in Egypt. No Muslim outrage.

A Muslim attacks a missionary children's school in India. Kills six. No
Muslim outrage.

Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan,
Russia.Muslims shoot children in the back. No Muslim outrage.

Let's go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich
Summer
Olympics. No Muslim outrage.

Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in
Israel. No Muslim outrage.

Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and
busses. Over 700 are injured. No Muslim outrage.

Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder. No Muslim
outrage.

Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali. No Muslim outrage.

Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons. No Muslim outrage.

Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one of
the 125+ shooting wars around the world. No Muslim outrage.

Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their shoes,
then hang them from a bridge. No Muslim outrage.

Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish cartoons depicting Mohammed.
Muslims are outraged.

Dead children. Dead tourists. Dead teachers. Dead doctors and nurses.
Death, destruction and mayhem around the world at the hands of Muslims
...no Muslim outrage ... but publish a cartoon depicting Mohammed with a
bomb in his turban and all hell breaks loose.

Muslims... The new world-class niggers of planet earth. They must be
dealt with as soon as possible with the most extreme measures at the
military's disposal.

Hørt!


Best regards / Med venlig hilsen
Martin Jørgense

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Salama (23-02-2006)
Kommentar
Fra : Salama


Dato : 23-02-06 07:58

Martin_Jørgensen <unoder.spam@spam.jay.net> wrote:
> Sakset fra et andet sted på nettet (til generel oplysning):
>
> ----------------
>
> Muslim outrage, huh. OK ... let's do a little historical review. Just
> some lowlights:
>
> Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City. No
> Muslim outrage.

There was condemnation plus it wasn't a religious act.

>
> Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape
> a
> burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim outrage.

Where?

>
> Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to
> school in Indonesia. A Christian school. No Muslim outrage.

How do you know there weren't any?

>
> Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq. No
> Muslim outrage.

How do you know there weren't any? Was it religious?

>
> Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels
> in Egypt. No Muslim outrage.

It wasn't religious. It was a terrorist act to undermine the government.


>
> A Muslim attacks a missionary children's school in India. Kills six. No
> Muslim outrage.

You will not see an outrage everytime a muslim commits a crime. It's like
asking all the christians to get vocal everytime a christian commits a
crime.


>
> Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan,
> Russia.Muslims shoot children in the back. No Muslim outrage.

How do you know there weren't any?

>
> Let's go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich
> Summer
> Olympics. No Muslim outrage.

This was about Palestians against Israelis. The Isralis got involved in a
man hunt for years later, supposedly killing some innocent ones. Here's a
list of massacares by Israelis:
http://www.ummah.com/waragainstislam/terrorism.htm


>
> Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in
> Israel. No Muslim outrage.

"1969: The Israelis distinguished themselves by committing a horrible
crime, in retaliation of attrition war across the Suez Canal, Israeli war
planes raided an Egyptian school "Bahr al Baker" in southern Egypt killing
75 children and wounding over 100. "


>
> Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and
> busses. Over 700 are injured. No Muslim outrage.
>
> Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder. No Muslim
> outrage.
>
> Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali. No Muslim outrage.
>
> Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons. No Muslim outrage.
>
> Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one of
> the 125+ shooting wars around the world. No Muslim outrage.

What 125+ wars? Does this include wars in central africa where no muslims
exist?

>
> Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their shoes,
> then hang them from a bridge. No Muslim outrage.
>
> Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish cartoons depicting Mohammed.
> Muslims are outraged.

I posted here a couple of weeks ago and noticed all replies centered around
"freedom of speech". I was watching a show on TV and a Danish official
admitted that that Danish newspaper which published the cartoons refused to
publish cartoons about the Resurrection for fear of public outcry. TALK
ABOUT HYPOCRICY!! Where's the freedom of speech that everyone is defending
or are do we pick what suits us only?

When you use freedom of speech to insult or make jokes about something you
know little about, you're undermining freedom of speech.


>
> Dead children. Dead tourists. Dead teachers. Dead doctors and nurses.
> Death, destruction and mayhem around the world at the hands of Muslims
> ..no Muslim outrage ... but publish a cartoon depicting Mohammed with a
> bomb in his turban and all hell breaks loose.
>
> Muslims... The new world-class niggers of planet earth. They must be
> dealt with as soon as possible with the most extreme measures at the
> military's disposal.

And what is your idea of military disposal? Flying F16's dropping bombs,
using machine guns and tanks and that would be ok with you? This is
happening already. Note the Arabs do not have the luxury of using such
weapons and that's why they resort to extremes.. out of desperation. From
throwing stones to exploding themselves. When Arabs see what is happening
in Iraq and Afghanistan where innocent people die by the hundreds and
thousands, they will not show any kind of affection towards the west.

Some of the incidents you mentioned are not religion related. Why is it
when some Arabs who happen to be muslims commit a crime many people, like
yourself, say *muslims* did it. When some Americas kill some people, people
say Americans did it. They don't say christians did it.

Martin Jørgensen (23-02-2006)
Kommentar
Fra : Martin Jørgensen


Dato : 23-02-06 14:02

Salama wrote:
> Martin_Jørgensen <unoder.spam@spam.jay.net> wrote:
>
>>Sakset fra et andet sted på nettet (til generel oplysning):
>>
>>----------------
>>
>>Muslim outrage, huh. OK ... let's do a little historical review. Just
>>some lowlights:
>>
>>Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City. No
>>Muslim outrage.
>
>
> There was condemnation plus it wasn't a religious act.

"There was condemnation" DOESN'T EXCUSE ANYTHING!

It was a religious act - In the name of the terrorist-prophet Mohammed,
as I've been informed about.

They say the terrorists would die a martyr to a cause and get rewarded
in heaven. They were all son-of-a-bitch-motherfucking-crazy Islamists,
as far as I know. Isn't that correct or not?

Those crazy muslim suicidal pigs must be dealt with preferably sooner
than later before they do more crazy things to us...

>>Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape
>>a
>>burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim outrage.
>
>
> Where?

I grapped the text from the internet - I don't know where, but we all
know it must be true when we see pictures from the muslim world in TV.

>>Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to
>>school in Indonesia. A Christian school. No Muslim outrage.
>
>
> How do you know there weren't any?

This text was grapped from somewhere on the internet - I didn't make it
up. I just brought the text here. But we all know it must be true when
we see pictures from the muslim world in TV.

>>Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq. No
>>Muslim outrage.
>
>
> How do you know there weren't any? Was it religious?

This text was grapped from somewhere on the internet - I didn't make it
up. I just brought the text here. But we all know it must be true when
we see pictures from the muslim world in TV.

>>Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels
>>in Egypt. No Muslim outrage.
>
>
> It wasn't religious. It was a terrorist act to undermine the government.

As far as I know of, most (perhaps even ALL) terrorists kill in the name
of the prophet Mohammed and they're Islamists. That is what they believe
in. I don't know why Islam is such a terrible terrorist-religion, but
all the pictures I can remember have seen from TV is about Islamic
terrorists.

>>A Muslim attacks a missionary children's school in India. Kills six. No
>>Muslim outrage.
>
>
> You will not see an outrage everytime a muslim commits a crime. It's like
> asking all the christians to get vocal everytime a christian commits a
> crime.

Drawing a fucking innocent cartoon of the terrorist-prophet Mohammed
doesn't excuse burning down our embassies and wanting to kill danish
people or the cartoonists just because they live in a country where
respect for others is much more valuable than in the muslim world.

Muslim people seem to have no respect for human lives of others! And
that is a fact - just watch TV and you'll see I'm correct.

>>Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan,
>>Russia.Muslims shoot children in the back. No Muslim outrage.
>
>
> How do you know there weren't any?

Again: This text was grapped from somewhere on the internet - I didn't
make it up. I just brought the text here (I copy/pasted it from an
international newsgroup about muslims). But we all know it must be true
when we see pictures from the muslim world in TV.

>>Let's go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich
>>Summer
>>Olympics. No Muslim outrage.
>
>
> This was about Palestians against Israelis. The Isralis got involved in a
> man hunt for years later, supposedly killing some innocent ones. Here's a
> list of massacares by Israelis:
> http://www.ummah.com/waragainstislam/terrorism.htm

I don't know anything about that. As I said: This text was just grapped
from somewhere on the internet - I didn't make it up.

>>Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in
>>Israel. No Muslim outrage.
>
>
> "1969: The Israelis distinguished themselves by committing a horrible
> crime, in retaliation of attrition war across the Suez Canal, Israeli war
> planes raided an Egyptian school "Bahr al Baker" in southern Egypt killing
> 75 children and wounding over 100. "

I don't know anything about that. As I said: This text was just grapped
from somewhere on the internet - I didn't make it up.

>>Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and
>>busses. Over 700 are injured. No Muslim outrage.
>>
>>Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder. No Muslim
>>outrage.
>>
>>Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali. No Muslim outrage.
>>
>>Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons. No Muslim outrage.
>>
>>Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one of
>>the 125+ shooting wars around the world. No Muslim outrage.
>
>
> What 125+ wars? Does this include wars in central africa where no muslims
> exist?

I don't know anything about that. As I said: This text was just grapped
from somewhere on the internet - I didn't make it up.

>>Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their shoes,
>>then hang them from a bridge. No Muslim outrage.
>>
>>Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish cartoons depicting Mohammed.
>>Muslims are outraged.
>
>
> I posted here a couple of weeks ago and noticed all replies centered around
> "freedom of speech". I was watching a show on TV and a Danish official
> admitted that that Danish newspaper which published the cartoons refused to
> publish cartoons about the Resurrection for fear of public outcry. TALK
> ABOUT HYPOCRICY!! Where's the freedom of speech that everyone is defending
> or are do we pick what suits us only?

The freedom of speech is under attack by the whole muslim world! No
fucking wonder that nobody dare to speak criticism out about Islam, when
the fucking crazy islamists are so fucking brain-dead that they just go
out and kill those criticists - even though if they live in another
(Christian) country. See the terrorists bombs in Madrid and other places
around the world?

> When you use freedom of speech to insult or make jokes about something you
> know little about, you're undermining freedom of speech.

No, when crazy motherfucking islamists kill innocent people and threaten
us with killing us - THEN THOSE FUCKING IDIOTS ARE UNDERMINING FREEDOM
OF SPEECH. And that's what we're fighting against.

>>Dead children. Dead tourists. Dead teachers. Dead doctors and nurses.
>>Death, destruction and mayhem around the world at the hands of Muslims
>>..no Muslim outrage ... but publish a cartoon depicting Mohammed with a
>>bomb in his turban and all hell breaks loose.
>>
>>Muslims... The new world-class niggers of planet earth. They must be
>>dealt with as soon as possible with the most extreme measures at the
>>military's disposal.
>
>
> And what is your idea of military disposal? Flying F16's dropping bombs,
> using machine guns and tanks and that would be ok with you? This is
> happening already. Note the Arabs do not have the luxury of using such
> weapons and that's why they resort to extremes.. out of desperation. From
> throwing stones to exploding themselves. When Arabs see what is happening
> in Iraq and Afghanistan where innocent people die by the hundreds and
> thousands, they will not show any kind of affection towards the west.

I don't know anything about that. As I said: This text was just grapped
from somewhere on the internet - I didn't make it up.

> Some of the incidents you mentioned are not religion related. Why is it
> when some Arabs who happen to be muslims commit a crime many people, like
> yourself, say *muslims* did it. When some Americas kill some people, people
> say Americans did it. They don't say christians did it.

Well, if I turn on the TV and watch CNN / BBC or something else, then
all recently terrorist-acts are made by muslims.

Another important thing is: I DON'T FUCKING SEE THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS
BURNING DOWN OUR EMBASSIES OF FUCKING THREATENING OUR LIVES ON TV -
CARRYING BANNER FLAGS, BURNING OUR PRIME MINISTER, SHOUTING AND YELLING
ABOUT THAT THEY WANT TO KILL DANISH PEOPLE!

How do you explain that? Those fucking Islamist pigs are so fucking
brain-dead, that I personally don't want more of them in our country...
Abu-Laban should be expelled - he's a fucking moron lying to the muslim
world about Denmark. And he's enjoying it too...


Best regards / Med venlig hilsen
Martin Jørgensen

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Salama (23-02-2006)
Kommentar
Fra : Salama


Dato : 23-02-06 19:44

Martin_Jørgensen <unoder.spam@spam.jay.net> wrote:
> Salama wrote:
> > Martin_Jørgensen <unoder.spam@spam.jay.net> wrote:
> >
> >>Sakset fra et andet sted på nettet (til generel oplysning):
> >>
> >>----------------
> >>
> >>Muslim outrage, huh. OK ... let's do a little historical review. Just
> >>some lowlights:
> >>
> >>Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City. No
> >>Muslim outrage.
> >
> >
> > There was condemnation plus it wasn't a religious act.
>
> "There was condemnation" DOESN'T EXCUSE ANYTHING!
>
> It was a religious act - In the name of the terrorist-prophet Mohammed,
> as I've been informed about.

As long as we have ignorant people in the world calling a prophet a
terrorist just because we have some people do terrorist acts in the name of
religion, peace won't prevail. People who have your mentality do not help
the situation.


>
> They say the terrorists would die a martyr to a cause and get rewarded
> in heaven. They were all son-of-a-bitch-motherfucking-crazy Islamists,
> as far as I know. Isn't that correct or not?
>
> Those crazy muslim suicidal pigs must be dealt with preferably sooner
> than later before they do more crazy things to us...

Name calling shows your intolerant ignorant mentality. If these people have
weapons like their enemies, they wouldn't blow themsleves up. What's your
opinion about the Red Army or IRA? Don't you eat pigs.. why do you use
'pig' to try to insult others?



>
> >>Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape
> >>a
> >>burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim outrage.
> >
> >
> > Where?
>
> I grapped the text from the internet - I don't know where, but we all
> know it must be true when we see pictures from the muslim world in TV.
>
> >>Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to
> >>school in Indonesia. A Christian school. No Muslim outrage.
> >
> >
> > How do you know there weren't any?
>
> This text was grapped from somewhere on the internet - I didn't make it
> up. I just brought the text here. But we all know it must be true when
> we see pictures from the muslim world in TV.

You only see what the TV tries to show you. TV doesn't show you what the US
warplanes, missles did to thousands of people. It doesn't show what the
Israelis do to Palestians. You're brainwashed like the rest of you. You
believe the parts that you watch only.

>
> >>Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq. No
> >>Muslim outrage.
> >
> >
> > How do you know there weren't any? Was it religious?
>
> This text was grapped from somewhere on the internet - I didn't make it
> up. I just brought the text here. But we all know it must be true when
> we see pictures from the muslim world in TV.

See above.

>
> >>Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels
> >>in Egypt. No Muslim outrage.
> >
> >
> > It wasn't religious. It was a terrorist act to undermine the
> > government.
>
> As far as I know of, most (perhaps even ALL) terrorists kill in the name
> of the prophet Mohammed and they're Islamists. That is what they believe
> in. I don't know why Islam is such a terrible terrorist-religion, but
> all the pictures I can remember have seen from TV is about Islamic
> terrorists.

Well these are terrorists who are muslims. Why don't you educate yourself
and read the Koran or the Internet and find out if it says it's ok to kill
people. In fact it doesn't. The prohpet gave mercy in all his wars against
the enemies. Christians and Jews were living peacefully among muslims
during his life. Islam believes in Jesus and Moses and urges us to respect.
Muslims do not depict Jesus in any kind. Unlike Christians who make fun and
jokes about their own prohpet. Can you believe this.

Don't let some twisted muslims and bad media twist the way you think. When
the crusaders invaded the Arab world, muslims didn't go saying christianity
is a terrorist religion.



> >>A Muslim attacks a missionary children's school in India. Kills six. No
> >>Muslim outrage.
> >
> >
> > You will not see an outrage everytime a muslim commits a crime. It's
> > like asking all the christians to get vocal everytime a christian
> > commits a crime.
>
> Drawing a fucking innocent cartoon of the terrorist-prophet Mohammed
> doesn't excuse burning down our embassies and wanting to kill danish
> people or the cartoonists just because they live in a country where
> respect for others is much more valuable than in the muslim world.


That's the problem. You think it's innocent. It's not. Danes showed
ignorance towards another religion and all they can say.. "that's freedom
of speech". Freedom of speech my ass when you insult others. Freedom of
speech is not freedom to insult others. If you repect others like you say,
you wouldn't draw cartoons out of desrespect.


>
> Muslim people seem to have no respect for human lives of others! And
> that is a fact - just watch TV and you'll see I'm correct.

You mean like, you know who, drops a bomb on a building because there's a
suspect in it?


>
> >>Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan,
> >>Russia.Muslims shoot children in the back. No Muslim outrage.
> >
> >
> > How do you know there weren't any?
>
> Again: This text was grapped from somewhere on the internet - I didn't
> make it up. I just brought the text here (I copy/pasted it from an
> international newsgroup about muslims). But we all know it must be true
> when we see pictures from the muslim world in TV.

You believe what others want you to believe. Media is controlled by a few.
Arabs believe the media is controlled by a few jews and therefore the media
won't show you what Israelis do to Palestenians. Tune to Aljazeera TV so
you can watch stuff that your TV doesn't want you to see.


>
> >>Let's go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich
> >>Summer
> >>Olympics. No Muslim outrage.
> >
> >
> > This was about Palestians against Israelis. The Isralis got involved in
> > a man hunt for years later, supposedly killing some innocent ones.
> > Here's a list of massacares by Israelis:
> > http://www.ummah.com/waragainstislam/terrorism.htm
>
> I don't know anything about that. As I said: This text was just grapped
> from somewhere on the internet - I didn't make it up.

I am not surprised you don't know. That's the problem. You're brainwashed.
Your TV and media only shows what muslims are doing. Nothing about what
Israelis, US..etc do in the world.


> >>Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in
> >>Israel. No Muslim outrage.
> >
> >
> > "1969: The Israelis distinguished themselves by committing a horrible
> > crime, in retaliation of attrition war across the Suez Canal, Israeli
> > war planes raided an Egyptian school "Bahr al Baker" in southern Egypt
> > killing 75 children and wounding over 100. "
>
> I don't know anything about that. As I said: This text was just grapped
> from somewhere on the internet - I didn't make it up.

So why you grab only stuff that muslims do? Why the filtering? I too
grabbed what Israelis did. Do you know that Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982?
Flew planes to destory an Iraqi nuclear plant.


>
> >>Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and
> >>busses. Over 700 are injured. No Muslim outrage.
> >>
> >>Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder. No Muslim
> >>outrage.
> >>
> >>Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali. No Muslim outrage.
> >>
> >>Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons. No Muslim outrage.
> >>
> >>Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one of
> >>the 125+ shooting wars around the world. No Muslim outrage.
> >
> >
> > What 125+ wars? Does this include wars in central africa where no
> > muslims exist?
>
> I don't know anything about that. As I said: This text was just grapped
> from somewhere on the internet - I didn't make it up.

You don't seem to know anything. You just copy and paste stuff as long as
it's anti muslim. Whenever someone debates, you claim you know nothing?


>
> >>Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their shoes,
> >>then hang them from a bridge. No Muslim outrage.

Remember Somalia? Actually Islam specifically bans the destruction and
mutilation of bodies. Even cremation is not allowed. Everytime some muslim
does an act, people quickly conclude that Islam allows it. That's why this
is very dangerous way of thinking. The Arab world think Amercians are
violanet. They produce nuclear boms, war planes, missles of all kinds,
machine guns, bullets, armor piercing rockets.. anything you can imagine to
kill a human being and then all those hollywood violent movies. US history
is 200 years only but it got involved in 20 major wars. Hmmm.. maybe
muslims should think the christianity is a violent religion. Aren't most
Americans christians?


> >>
> >>Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish cartoons depicting Mohammed.
> >>Muslims are outraged.
> >
> >
> > I posted here a couple of weeks ago and noticed all replies centered
> > around "freedom of speech". I was watching a show on TV and a Danish
> > official admitted that that Danish newspaper which published the
> > cartoons refused to publish cartoons about the Resurrection for fear of
> > public outcry. TALK ABOUT HYPOCRICY!! Where's the freedom of speech
> > that everyone is defending or are do we pick what suits us only?
>
> The freedom of speech is under attack by the whole muslim world! No
> fucking wonder that nobody dare to speak criticism out about Islam, when
> the fucking crazy islamists are so fucking brain-dead that they just go
> out and kill those criticists - even though if they live in another
> (Christian) country. See the terrorists bombs in Madrid and other places
> around the world?

Your idea of freedom of speech and the muslims one are colliding. Muslims
are not allowed to depect the prophet. If they see others doing it *and* in
a very desrespecful way, they will get angry. The newspaper editor was
pretty stupid to play with fire. I guess he didn't learn from the Salman
Rushie episode. Some muslims get pretty zealosts. I don't agree about
killing innocent people and burning buidlings but if you know that there
are some crazy people out there, why take the chance to outrage them? What
did you gain? Now these cartoonists ar e hiding are fearing for their
lives?

Tell me one good benefit from posting these cartoons? The Arab world
doesn't post cartoons about Jesus. Islam respects *ALL* prophets. If the
Danes are having fun by making fun of other cultures & religions, what kind
of people are the Danes?




> > When you use freedom of speech to insult or make jokes about something
> > you know little about, you're undermining freedom of speech.
>
> No, when crazy motherfucking islamists kill innocent people and threaten
> us with killing us - THEN THOSE FUCKING IDIOTS ARE UNDERMINING FREEDOM
> OF SPEECH. And that's what we're fighting against.
>
> >>Dead children. Dead tourists. Dead teachers. Dead doctors and nurses.
> >>Death, destruction and mayhem around the world at the hands of Muslims
> >>..no Muslim outrage ... but publish a cartoon depicting Mohammed with a
> >>bomb in his turban and all hell breaks loose.
> >>
> >>Muslims... The new world-class niggers of planet earth. They must be
> >>dealt with as soon as possible with the most extreme measures at the
> >>military's disposal.
> >
> >
> > And what is your idea of military disposal? Flying F16's dropping
> > bombs, using machine guns and tanks and that would be ok with you? This
> > is happening already. Note the Arabs do not have the luxury of using
> > such weapons and that's why they resort to extremes.. out of
> > desperation. From throwing stones to exploding themselves. When Arabs
> > see what is happening in Iraq and Afghanistan where innocent people die
> > by the hundreds and thousands, they will not show any kind of affection
> > towards the west.
>
> I don't know anything about that. As I said: This text was just grapped
> from somewhere on the internet - I didn't make it up.
>
> > Some of the incidents you mentioned are not religion related. Why is it
> > when some Arabs who happen to be muslims commit a crime many people,
> > like yourself, say *muslims* did it. When some Americas kill some
> > people, people say Americans did it. They don't say christians did it.
>
> Well, if I turn on the TV and watch CNN / BBC or something else, then
> all recently terrorist-acts are made by muslims.


You know nothing about what is happening to the muslims. You only know what
the TV is showing you.

There was a simple solution to all this mess in Denmark:

Do not show cartoons that make other people very angry, at least out of
respect, and everyone will be happy and you still keep and enjoy your
"freedom of speech". If you don't want to cartoon the Resurrection for
respect to Christians why is it a problem to not cartoon the prophet
Mohammad when *YOU KNOW* it will anger the muslims and if you know some
muslims can get crazy, then you are stupid to be an instegator.

S.

T.Liljeberg (25-02-2006)
Kommentar
Fra : T.Liljeberg


Dato : 25-02-06 17:53

On 23 Feb 2006 18:43:50 GMT, in dk.politik nospam@nospam.aaa (Salama)
wrote:

>Don't let some twisted muslims and bad media twist the way you think. When
>the crusaders invaded the Arab world, muslims didn't go saying christianity
>is a terrorist religion.

But have you seen how jews are depicted in media in the arab world and
the middle east?

>That's the problem. You think it's innocent. It's not. Danes showed
>ignorance towards another religion and all they can say.. "that's freedom
>of speech". Freedom of speech my ass when you insult others. Freedom of
>speech is not freedom to insult others.

That is exactly what it is. If freedom of speech covered only
expression that is not insulting to others, it would be an empty and
irrelevant concept.

Of course freedom of speech includes the right to insult others.

>Your idea of freedom of speech and the muslims one are colliding. Muslims
>are not allowed to depect the prophet.

And they are certainly free to refrain from doing that. They are,
however, not allowed to restrict others in exercise of freedom of
speech.

>If they see others doing it *and* in
>a very desrespecful way, they will get angry.

They have a right to get angry. They have the same freedom of speech,
and they can express their anger. But murder, violence and
intimidation are not acceptable reactions.

>The newspaper editor was
>pretty stupid to play with fire. I guess he didn't learn from the Salman
>Rushie episode.

Everyone in the Westerne world supported Rushdie and Rushdie's right
to write and publish his book.

>Some muslims get pretty zealosts. I don't agree about
>killing innocent people and burning buidlings but if you know that there
>are some crazy people out there, why take the chance to outrage them?

It is much better to cower in fear under the bed? Sure, give in to
intimidation, let the religious zealots and nut cases win.
Are you willing to apply the same principles to other religions and
philosophies, or is it only islam that deserves this kind of
treatment?

>What
>did you gain?

Reaffirmation and assertion of a fundamental right.

>Tell me one good benefit from posting these cartoons?

Reaffirmation and assertion of a fundamental right.

>There was a simple solution to all this mess in Denmark:
>
> Do not show cartoons that make other people very angry, at least out of
> respect, and everyone will be happy and you still keep and enjoy your
> "freedom of speech".

A somewhat abridged and limited freedom of speech. You are free to
express your opinion, EXCEPT if your opinion in considered an insult
to a large group of people who are willing to apply violence in
response. It is apparently entirely acceptable to insult smaller
groups or groups who do not respond with violence when insulted.

> If you don't want to cartoon the Resurrection for
> respect to Christians why is it a problem to not cartoon the prophet
> Mohammad when *YOU KNOW* it will anger the muslims and if you know some
> muslims can get crazy, then you are stupid to be an instegator.

And if we changed our laws in response to the rules and prohibitions
of ancient superstition, we would be cowards selling out of our
hard-won rights and liberty. In fact, I find the mere suggestion
deeply insulting to MY views and philosophies, and I demand that you
immediately apologize for this gross display of disrespect.
You don't want to be a stupid instigator now, do you?

Jim (23-02-2006)
Kommentar
Fra : Jim


Dato : 23-02-06 20:37

"Salama" <nospam@nospam.aaa> skrev i en meddelelse
news:20060223020022.226$Qq@newsreader.com...
> Martin_Jørgensen <unoder.spam@spam.jay.net> wrote:
>> Sakset fra et andet sted på nettet (til generel oplysning):
>>
>> ----------------
>>
>> Muslim outrage, huh. OK ... let's do a little historical review. Just
>> some lowlights:
>>
>> Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City. No
>> Muslim outrage.
>
> There was condemnation plus it wasn't a religious act.
>
>>
>> Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape
>> a
>> burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim outrage.
>
> Where?
>
>>
>> Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to
>> school in Indonesia. A Christian school. No Muslim outrage.
>
> How do you know there weren't any?
>
>>
>> Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq. No
>> Muslim outrage.
>
> How do you know there weren't any? Was it religious?
>
>>
>> Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels
>> in Egypt. No Muslim outrage.
>
> It wasn't religious. It was a terrorist act to undermine the government.
>
>
>>
>> A Muslim attacks a missionary children's school in India. Kills six. No
>> Muslim outrage.
>
> You will not see an outrage everytime a muslim commits a crime. It's like
> asking all the christians to get vocal everytime a christian commits a
> crime.
>
>
>>
>> Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan,
>> Russia.Muslims shoot children in the back. No Muslim outrage.
>
> How do you know there weren't any?
>
>>
>> Let's go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich
>> Summer
>> Olympics. No Muslim outrage.
>
> This was about Palestians against Israelis. The Isralis got involved in a
> man hunt for years later, supposedly killing some innocent ones. Here's a
> list of massacares by Israelis:
> http://www.ummah.com/waragainstislam/terrorism.htm
>
>
>>
>> Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in
>> Israel. No Muslim outrage.
>
> "1969: The Israelis distinguished themselves by committing a horrible
> crime, in retaliation of attrition war across the Suez Canal, Israeli war
> planes raided an Egyptian school "Bahr al Baker" in southern Egypt killing
> 75 children and wounding over 100. "
>
>
>>
>> Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and
>> busses. Over 700 are injured. No Muslim outrage.
>>
>> Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder. No Muslim
>> outrage.
>>
>> Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali. No Muslim outrage.
>>
>> Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons. No Muslim outrage.
>>
>> Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one of
>> the 125+ shooting wars around the world. No Muslim outrage.
>
> What 125+ wars? Does this include wars in central africa where no muslims
> exist?
>
>>
[snip] alot of words...

Salama.. You have a very short memory.



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