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EU commissioner: The press should self-reg~
Fra : ltlee1


Dato : 09-02-06 14:22

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/09/ncart109.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/02/09/ixnewstop.html
----------------------

EU commissioner urges European press code on religion
By David Rennie in Brussels
(Filed: 09/02/2006)

Plans for a European press charter committing the media to "prudence"
when reporting on Islam and other religions, were unveiled yesterday.

Franco Frattini, the European Union commissioner for justice, freedom
and security, revealed the idea for a code of conduct in an interview
with The Daily Telegraph. Mr Frattini, a former Italian foreign
minister, said the EU faced the "very real problem" of trying to
reconcile "two fundamental freedoms, the freedom of expression and the
freedom of religion".

Millions of European Muslims felt "humiliated" by the publication of
cartoons of Mohammed, he added, calling on journalists and media chiefs
to accept that "the exercising of a right is always the assumption of a
responsibility". He appealed to European media to agree to
"self-regulate".

Accepting such self-regulation would send an important political
message to the Muslim world, Mr Frattini said.

By agreeing to a charter "the press will give the Muslim world the
message: we are aware of the consequences of exercising the right of
free expression, we can and we are ready to self-regulate that right",
he said.

The code of conduct, as envisaged by Mr Frattini, would acknowledge the
importance of respecting religious sensibilities but would not offer a
"privileged" status to any one faith.

[...]

----------------------

Is urging a press code a kind of censorship?


 
 
Michael Laudahn (09-02-2006)
Kommentar
Fra : Michael Laudahn


Dato : 09-02-06 15:07


"ltlee1" <ltlee1@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>
> Is urging a press code a kind of censorship?
>


Han har allerede fået svar / He has already received reply:



-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: "Michael Laudahn" <ml@worldimprover.net>
An: <david.rennie@telegraph.co.uk>; <readrel@telegraph.co.uk>;
<franco.frattini@cec.eu.int>
Cc: <udland@politiken.dk>
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. Februar 2006 12:40
Betreff: 'EU commissioner urges European press code on religion' / 'EU vil
have fælles vejledning for presseskik'


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/09/ncart109.xml

http://politiken.dk/VisArtikel.iasp?PageID=437401


'Accepting such self-regulation would send an important political message to
the Muslim world, Mr Frattini said.'


What fu** nonsense is this, you idiots? Haven't you comprehended that the
only message which is understood in that part of the world is FORCE? If you
do what you propose to do, then this is interpretated as another signal of
weakness. The consequences for uns can be counted at the fingers of your
hands.





--
>.)

Unter blinden ist der einäugige könig.

http://worldimprover.net/

Mohammed-karikaturen: http://cryptome.org/muhammad.htm

Mehr Mohammed-karikaturen: http://retecool.com/comments.php?id=13539_0_1_0_C

Der demaskierte islam (englisch):
http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=19381&catcode=13

Worte eines ex-mohammedaners (englisch):
http://www.faithfreedom.org/comics/introduction.htm

Die förderer der migration (englisch):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_B._MacDonald#Jewish_role_in_facilitating_mass_immigration





Vanderhu (09-02-2006)
Kommentar
Fra : Vanderhu


Dato : 09-02-06 15:21

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ltlee1 wrote:
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/09/ncart109.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/02/09/ixnewstop.html
> ----------------------
>
> EU commissioner urges European press code on religion
> By David Rennie in Brussels
> (Filed: 09/02/2006)
>
> Plans for a European press charter committing the media to "prudence"
> when reporting on Islam and other religions, were unveiled yesterday.
>
> Franco Frattini, the European Union commissioner for justice, freedom
> and security, revealed the idea for a code of conduct in an interview
> with The Daily Telegraph. Mr Frattini, a former Italian foreign
> minister, said the EU faced the "very real problem" of trying to
> reconcile "two fundamental freedoms, the freedom of expression and the
> freedom of religion".
>
> Millions of European Muslims felt "humiliated" by the publication of
> cartoons of Mohammed, he added, calling on journalists and media chiefs
> to accept that "the exercising of a right is always the assumption of a
> responsibility". He appealed to European media to agree to
> "self-regulate".
>
> Accepting such self-regulation would send an important political
> message to the Muslim world, Mr Frattini said.
>
> By agreeing to a charter "the press will give the Muslim world the
> message: we are aware of the consequences of exercising the right of
> free expression, we can and we are ready to self-regulate that right",
> he said.
>
> The code of conduct, as envisaged by Mr Frattini, would acknowledge the
> importance of respecting religious sensibilities but would not offer a
> "privileged" status to any one faith.
>
> [...]
>
> ----------------------
>
> Is urging a press code a kind of censorship?


Vanderhu (09-02-2006)
Kommentar
Fra : Vanderhu


Dato : 09-02-06 15:22
HrSvendsen (09-02-2006)
Kommentar
Fra : HrSvendsen


Dato : 09-02-06 15:23

ltlee1 wrote:

> Is urging a press code a kind of censorship?

Absolutely. If the code is to have any meaning and consequence, that is. Its
a step before a "in your face" censorship on the drawing of images of
Muhamed.

In Denmark we've an antiquated law against blasphemy. Or so we thougt. All
it takes is a court-ruling that drawings of Muhamed is blasphemy, and we've
the "in your face" censorship.

We have a battle between two holy cows.

1. Prohibition on drawing Muhamed - thats the mohammadan holy cow.
2. Freedom of speech. Thats the danish (and western) holy cow.

What we see is a giving in to the mohammadan holy cow (oh Allah). Thats the
direction of current signals from western leaders.

What we do not see - is a giving in to the danish holy cow (oh Arla) -
freedom of speech. Arla itself gave in immidiately, by the way. (so do _not_
support Arla in the fight for free speech)

What we need is to see, that the two holy cows cannot be reconciled as
commisioner Franco postulates is a possibility. Its a battle with no
middleground. Either there's unhindered and untampered free speech on the
subject or our (the danish and western) holy cow is losing out.



rcs8 (09-02-2006)
Kommentar
Fra : rcs8


Dato : 09-02-06 10:33

In article <1139491318.728849.212490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "ltlee1" <ltlee1@hotmail.com> writes:
[snip]

>By agreeing to a charter "the press will give the Muslim world the
>message: we are aware of the consequences of exercising the right of
>free expression, we can and we are ready to self-regulate that right",
>he said.

Read, "I'm afraid."

Jim Walsh (09-02-2006)
Kommentar
Fra : Jim Walsh


Dato : 09-02-06 16:07

On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 21:21:58 +0800, ltlee1 wrote (in article
<1139491318.728849.212490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):

> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/09/ncart109.xm
> l&s Sheet=/news/2006/02/09/ixnewstop.html ----------------------
>
> EU commissioner urges European press code on religion By David Rennie in
> Brussels (Filed: 09/02/2006)
>
> Plans for a European press charter committing the media to "prudence" when
> reporting on Islam and other religions, were unveiled yesterday.........


> Is urging a press code a kind of censorship?

Yes.

Immediately after this news came out it was corrected. No government in the
EU is planning to censor newspapers.


--
Love, Jim


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bmoore@nyx.net (09-02-2006)
Kommentar
Fra : bmoore@nyx.net


Dato : 09-02-06 17:02


Jim Walsh wrote:
> > Is urging a press code a kind of censorship?
>
> Yes.
>
> Immediately after this news came out it was corrected. No government in the
> EU is planning to censor newspapers.

Even the original article didn't say anything about government
censoring newspapers. It talked about the press developing its own
code.

Though it is a little unsettling to hear the government suggesting a
press code. I'd prefer to suggest that the press behave responsibly.
Free speech can be misused. That comes with the territory. But banning
free speech is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

BTW, Jim, what do you think of the idea that in Germany it is illegal
to deny the holocaust?


Bruno Christensen (09-02-2006)
Kommentar
Fra : Bruno Christensen


Dato : 09-02-06 21:12

On 9 Feb 2006 08:01:41 -0800, bmoore@nyx.net wrote:

> Though it is a little unsettling to hear the government suggesting a
> press code. I'd prefer to suggest that the press behave responsibly.
> Free speech can be misused. That comes with the territory. But banning
> free speech is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
>
Well said

> BTW, Jim, what do you think of the idea that in Germany it is illegal

Germany is a bit sensitive (by doing a thing, you overdo by regretting)

Nazi Germany did horrible things, Germany of today avoids confilcts.

--
Med Venlig Hilsen
Bruno Christensen

Jim Walsh (11-02-2006)
Kommentar
Fra : Jim Walsh


Dato : 11-02-06 09:01

On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:01:41 +0800, bmoore@nyx.net wrote
(in article <1139500901.603463.195300@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):

>
> Jim Walsh wrote:
>>> Is urging a press code a kind of censorship?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> Immediately after this news came out it was corrected. No government in the
>> EU is planning to censor newspapers.
>
> Even the original article didn't say anything about government
> censoring newspapers. It talked about the press developing its own
> code.
>
> Though it is a little unsettling to hear the government suggesting a
> press code. I'd prefer to suggest that the press behave responsibly.
> Free speech can be misused. That comes with the territory. But banning
> free speech is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
>
> BTW, Jim, what do you think of the idea that in Germany it is illegal
> to deny the holocaust?
>

It is wrong. Everyone should have the right to deny the holocaust; say the
world is flat or that George Bush is not evil. The fact that all of these
statements are patently false is irrelevant.

--
Love, Jim


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ltlee1 (11-02-2006)
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Fra : ltlee1


Dato : 11-02-06 15:53


rcs8 wrote:
> In article <1139491318.728849.212490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "ltlee1" <ltlee1@hotmail.com> writes:
> [snip]
>
> >By agreeing to a charter "the press will give the Muslim world the
> >message: we are aware of the consequences of exercising the right of
> >free expression, we can and we are ready to self-regulate that right",
> >he said.
>
> Read, "I'm afraid."

Not necessarily so. I read it as "Let me be realistic."

The langugae of right protary the world with absolute term. That is,
either one has a certain right or one doesn't. In this case, if one
could not caricature one person among the billions, ones right is
violated. Hence it is also a language of confrontation. The proposed
regulation is a step toward the reconcilation between absolute right
and the reality where not many things are absolute.


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