---

[I hope some people here understand English. I would like to express my
opinion]

It seems many Danes and a lot of other European citizens are confused
between freedom of speech/expression and freedom to lie and insult other
cultures and religions.

These people are ignorant to what is insulting and blasphemous. As a
Muslim, I am offended by those cartoons and more by the support these
people are giving. In Islam, you can't depict the prophet is any way or
form even in a respecful way. Yet these cartoonist and newspapers editors
are totally ignorant, irresponsible or plain do not care of the
consequences. These people ask "what's the big deal". May be Christians can
depect Jesus in drawings, cartoons, make fun of him, slander him or
whatever, but that doesn't give them the right to do the same to another
religion. This just shows total ignorance of these people.

Many Christians kill other people. I bet Christians will not be too
thrilled to see cartoons of Jesus Christ carrying a machine gun shooting.
Is it the fault of Jesus that some Christians kill people?

Now muslim countries are boycotting Danish products and the Danes are
screaming of foul play. Companies are losing a lot of money and starting to
lay off workers. Guess what? The muslims are expressing their opinions
about the Danes and poeple who support them. That's the muslims way of free
of expression.. fair game? Next time think twice before making a stupid
move that specially when you livelihood depends on it.

When you play with fire, you might get burnt.

Salama

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"salama" <nospam@nospam.aaa> skrev i melding
news:20060207124507.281$8V@newsreader.com...
> [I hope some people here understand English. I would like to express my
> opinion]
>
> It seems many Danes and a lot of other European citizens are confused
> between freedom of speech/expression and freedom to lie and insult other
> cultures and religions.
>
> These people are ignorant to what is insulting and blasphemous. As a
> Muslim, I am offended by those cartoons and more by the support these
> people are giving. In Islam, you can't depict the prophet is any way or
> form even in a respecful way. Yet these cartoonist and newspapers editors
> are totally ignorant, irresponsible or plain do not care of the
> consequences. These people ask "what's the big deal". May be Christians
can
> depect Jesus in drawings, cartoons, make fun of him, slander him or
> whatever, but that doesn't give them the right to do the same to another
> religion. This just shows total ignorance of these people.
>
> Many Christians kill other people. I bet Christians will not be too
> thrilled to see cartoons of Jesus Christ carrying a machine gun shooting.
> Is it the fault of Jesus that some Christians kill people?
>
> Now muslim countries are boycotting Danish products and the Danes are
> screaming of foul play. Companies are losing a lot of money and starting
to
> lay off workers. Guess what? The muslims are expressing their opinions
> about the Danes and poeple who support them. That's the muslims way of
free
> of expression.. fair game? Next time think twice before making a stupid
> move that specially when you livelihood depends on it.
>
> When you play with fire, you might get burnt.
>
> Salama

Get lost! Ank Keep out! And we are ready to fight for our freedom, and your
ingnorance!

W.P.

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On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 17:42:36 +0000, salama wrote:

> It seems many Danes and a lot of other European citizens are confused
> between freedom of speech/expression and freedom to lie and insult other
> cultures and religions.

We are not confused, not at all.

> These people are ignorant to what is insulting and blasphemous. As a
> Muslim, I am offended by those cartoons and more by the support these
> people are giving.

It is your right to be offended.

> In Islam, you can't depict the prophet is any way or
> form even in a respecful way.

Well, we are not muslims, so we can.

---

salama wrote:


> When you play with fire, you might get burnt.

We're greatfull you took the time to express your view and share it with us.
Unfortunately we just dont have much time to care about the individual
violent and hatefull muhammedan since there are så many of your kind, and it
would seem rather unfair to lecture you and not all the others on a personal
basis.

If you really cared about insults, then you would spend the remainder of
your life fighting the innumerable and deadly insults against nonmohammadans
in the Quran - before starting to misunderstand what a certain danish
newspaper has or has not done.

Regards

Henrik Svendsen

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"HrSvendsen" <HrSvendsen@msn.com> skrev i melding
news:43e8e4c7$0$84026$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk...
> salama wrote:
>
>
> > When you play with fire, you might get burnt.
>
> We're greatfull you took the time to express your view and share it with
us.
> Unfortunately we just dont have much time to care about the individual
> violent and hatefull muhammedan since there are så many of your kind, and
it
> would seem rather unfair to lecture you and not all the others on a
personal
> basis.
>
> If you really cared about insults, then you would spend the remainder of
> your life fighting the innumerable and deadly insults against
nonmohammadans
> in the Quran - before starting to misunderstand what a certain danish
> newspaper has or has not done.
>
> Regards
>
> Henrik Svendsen
>
>
You can't insult an ignorant, and analfabet!

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"salama" <nospam@nospam.aaa> wrote in message
news:20060207124507.281$8V@newsreader.com...
> [I hope some people here understand English. I would like to express my
> opinion]
>
> It seems many Danes and a lot of other European citizens are confused
> between freedom of speech/expression and freedom to lie and insult other
> cultures and religions.
You are confused. The heading should be the muslims and the cartoons fiasco,
as these cartoons have shown the world what intolerance and hate islam
breed.

>
> These people are ignorant to what is insulting and blasphemous. As a
> Muslim, I am offended by those cartoons and more by the support these
> people are giving. In Islam, you can't depict the prophet is any way or
> form even in a respecful way. Yet these cartoonist and newspapers editors
> are totally ignorant, irresponsible or plain do not care of the
> consequences.
You obviously have no idea of what free speech is...

>
> Many Christians kill other people. I bet Christians will not be too
> thrilled to see cartoons of Jesus Christ carrying a machine gun shooting.
> Is it the fault of Jesus that some Christians kill people?

If they use christianity or blashemy as their their reason to hurt or even
kill people then it's the religion fault of that madness.
>
> Now muslim countries are boycotting Danish products and the Danes are
> screaming of foul play. Companies are losing a lot of money and starting
> to
> lay off workers. Guess what? The muslims are expressing their opinions
> about the Danes and poeple who support them. That's the muslims way of
> free
> of expression.. fair game? Next time think twice before making a stupid
> move that specially when you livelihood depends on it.
>
> When you play with fire, you might get burnt.
>
Everyone have the right to an opinion but don't force it on others. im
offended and disgusted by all muslims wanting to limit free speech of others
and kills and destroy anyone who have a different opinion. I want an apology
from muslims NOW

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"TS" <sp@m.com> wrote:
> "salama" <nospam@nospam.aaa> wrote in message
> news:20060207124507.281$8V@newsreader.com...
> > [I hope some people here understand English. I would like to express my
> > opinion]
> >
> > It seems many Danes and a lot of other European citizens are confused
> > between freedom of speech/expression and freedom to lie and insult
> > other cultures and religions.
> You are confused. The heading should be the muslims and the cartoons
> fiasco, as these cartoons have shown the world what intolerance and hate
> islam breed.

Why don't I insult you and your family in a newspaper cartoon and let me
know if that's ok with you.


>
> >
> > These people are ignorant to what is insulting and blasphemous. As a
> > Muslim, I am offended by those cartoons and more by the support these
> > people are giving. In Islam, you can't depict the prophet is any way or
> > form even in a respecful way. Yet these cartoonist and newspapers
> > editors are totally ignorant, irresponsible or plain do not care of the
> > consequences.
> You obviously have no idea of what free speech is...

At least I have a common sense idea. There's a limit to where you can have
freedom of speech before going too far. Tell me, can I insult Jesus and the
Danes here.. is it ok with you?

>
> >
> > Many Christians kill other people. I bet Christians will not be too
> > thrilled to see cartoons of Jesus Christ carrying a machine gun
> > shooting. Is it the fault of Jesus that some Christians kill people?
>
> If they use christianity or blashemy as their their reason to hurt or
> even kill people then it's the religion fault of that madness.

Why? They can be using religion to give their cause authenticity and
support to manipulate people's beliefs. Why blame religion for this?

> >
> > Now muslim countries are boycotting Danish products and the Danes are
> > screaming of foul play. Companies are losing a lot of money and
> > starting to
> > lay off workers. Guess what? The muslims are expressing their opinions
> > about the Danes and poeple who support them. That's the muslims way of
> > free
> > of expression.. fair game? Next time think twice before making a stupid
> > move that specially when you livelihood depends on it.
> >
> > When you play with fire, you might get burnt.
> >
> Everyone have the right to an opinion but don't force it on others. im
> offended and disgusted by all muslims wanting to limit free speech of
> others and kills and destroy anyone who have a different opinion. I want
> an apology from muslims NOW

I don't approve of any killings or destruction but the muslims have the
right to express their anger and they have the right to boycott whatever
they like. You want an apology for what exactly?

What is your feeling when you see someone burning the Danish flag? Do you
get angry or is it totally cool because it's free of expression?

If you want to practice freedom of speech with no respect to anything,
someone will be offended and problems will happen.

Salama

---

nospam@nospam.aaa (salama) writes:

> I don't approve of any killings or destruction but the muslims have
> the right to express their anger and they have the right to boycott
> whatever they like. You want an apology for what exactly?

I think you could start apologizing for your personal attempt to
shove *your* religious mindset down the throat of people that don't
follow said religion.

I mean, would you live on beer and pork, if you were told that's the
menu in our local version of heaven? Clearly you muslims are offending
that religion by calling the pig unclean. You see the point?

> What is your feeling when you see someone burning the Danish flag?
> Do you get angry or is it totally cool because it's free of
> expression?

Personally I feel sorry for those poor oppressed people that have
been indoctrinated by a reactionary pristhood, who perpetuates a
feudal society.

> If you want to practice freedom of speech with no respect to
> anything, someone will be offended and problems will happen.

It is an illusion that you can express any opinion without offending
someone, so your proposal is a practical impossibility. Learn to live
with it, like we do.In the long perspective, that's more usefull.

// Wegge

---

Anders Wegge Jakobsen <wegge@obelix.wegge.dk> wrote:
> nospam@nospam.aaa (salama) writes:
>
> > I don't approve of any killings or destruction but the muslims have
> > the right to express their anger and they have the right to boycott
> > whatever they like. You want an apology for what exactly?
>
> I think you could start apologizing for your personal attempt to
> shove *your* religious mindset down the throat of people that don't
> follow said religion.

Who's shoving religious mindset on who? Muslims just want to live in peace
like everyone else. Maybe there are some extrimists who are crusading in
the name of the religion but why blame the rest of the people because a few
took a different path? I am just expressing my opinion. Isn't that "freedom
of speech"? We are debating here. I didn't ask you in any way to change
your religious beliefs.

>
> I mean, would you live on beer and pork, if you were told that's the
> menu in our local version of heaven? Clearly you muslims are offending
> that religion by calling the pig unclean. You see the point?

If there's nothing else to eat or drink, that's ok. Islam even permits it.
Do you get offended if I say pigs are not clean? What's clean about an
animal which happily eats its own shit and eats any kind of filth. I mean
comon sense will make you think and wonder what happens to all this crap
that's digested and ends up in your body. It's even proven medically that
it's unhealthy meat. Plus you have other choices of meat. I wouldn't even
touch it for health reasons before considering religious reasons.


>
> > What is your feeling when you see someone burning the Danish flag?
> > Do you get angry or is it totally cool because it's free of
> > expression?
>
> Personally I feel sorry for those poor oppressed people that have
> been indoctrinated by a reactionary pristhood, who perpetuates a
> feudal society.

You didn't answer my question.

>
> > If you want to practice freedom of speech with no respect to
> > anything, someone will be offended and problems will happen.
>
> It is an illusion that you can express any opinion without offending
> someone, so your proposal is a practical impossibility. Learn to live
> with it, like we do.In the long perspective, that's more usefull.

It goes to the basics. If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything.

Salama

---

nospam@nospam.aaa (salama) writes:

> Anders Wegge Jakobsen <wegge@obelix.wegge.dk> wrote:
> > nospam@nospam.aaa (salama) writes:

>>> I don't approve of any killings or destruction but the muslims
>>> have the right to express their anger and they have the right to
>>> boycott whatever they like. You want an apology for what exactly?

>> I think you could start apologizing for your personal attempt to
>> shove *your* religious mindset down the throat of people that don't
>> follow said religion.

> Who's shoving religious mindset on who? Muslims just want to live in
> peace like everyone else. Maybe there are some extrimists who are
> crusading in the name of the religion but why blame the rest of the
> people because a few took a different path? I am just expressing my
> opinion. Isn't that "freedom of speech"? We are debating here. I
> didn't ask you in any way to change your religious beliefs.

No, you just demanded that we follow the rules of one particular
oppressive religion.


>> I mean, would you live on beer and pork, if you were told that's the
>> menu in our local version of heaven? Clearly you muslims are offending
>> that religion by calling the pig unclean. You see the point?

> If there's nothing else to eat or drink, that's ok. Islam even
> permits it. Do you get offended if I say pigs are not clean?

Yes. I grew up on a farm, and contrary to your indoctrination, I know
for a fact that of all the household animals in denmark, pigs are the
cleanest.

> What's clean about an animal which happily eats its own shit and
> eats any kind of filth. I mean comon sense will make you think and
> wonder what happens to all this crap that's digested and ends up in
> your body. It's even proven medically that it's unhealthy meat. Plus
> you have other choices of meat. I wouldn't even touch it for health
> reasons before considering religious reasons.

There's no scientific evidence for those postulates. The fact that
you need to invent a pseudo-scientific rationale for a religious
doctrine, really says it all.

>>> What is your feeling when you see someone burning the Danish flag?
>>> Do you get angry or is it totally cool because it's free of
>>> expression?

>> Personally I feel sorry for those poor oppressed people that have
>> been indoctrinated by a reactionary pristhood, who perpetuates a
>> feudal society.

> You didn't answer my question.

Indeed I did. I feel sorry for the people that have no other way of
expressing themselves. Did you expect me to go out and burn down the
nearest embassy?

>>> If you want to practice freedom of speech with no respect to
>>> anything, someone will be offended and problems will happen.

>> It is an illusion that you can express any opinion without
>> offending someone, so your proposal is a practical
>> impossibility. Learn to live with it, like we do.In the long
>> perspective, that's more usefull.

> It goes to the basics. If you have nothing nice to say, don't say
> anything.

I will point out the fact that you have offended many of those who
value free speech higher than any religion, simply by entering this
newsgroup, demanding that we follow your doctrine. That is not nice in
my point of view, so that is not a valid answer.

//Wegge

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"Anders Wegge Jakobsen" <wegge@obelix.wegge.dk> wrote in message
news:m3bqxjx7v0.fsf@obelix.wegge.dk...
> I will point out the fact that you have offended many of those who
> value free speech higher than any religion, simply by entering this
> newsgroup, demanding that we follow your doctrine. That is not nice
> in
> my point of view, so that is not a valid answer.

Religion is a hobby.
Political debate is a must in the democratic proces.
Freedom of religion and freedom of speech should to the same degree be
without moderations.
When in contradiction to each other, the latter should be given
priority

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On 07 Feb 2006 19:36:01 GMT, nospam@nospam.aaa (salama) wrote:

> Maybe there are some extrimists who are crusading in
>the name of the religion but why blame the rest of the people because a few
>took a different path?

...said the person who have just applauded that all danes are being
punished for the act of one independent newspaper

But I am delighted to hear, that You reject the acts of the
extremists. And You know what? - You are saying exactly the same thing
as one the most yelled at cartoons (the turban-bomb) - namely that
some extremists have taken the religion of islam hostage for their own
courses. Are You still offended?

---

On 07 Feb 2006 18:56:09 GMT, nospam@nospam.aaa (salama) wrote:

>I don't approve of any killings or destruction but the muslims have the
>right to express their anger and they have the right to boycott whatever
>they like. You want an apology for what exactly?

Yes, they can be angry and start a demonstration without destroying
buildings and killing people.

Why is it that muslims seem to blame the danish people in general,
when its only one newspaper to blame? Boycutting everything danish
seem logical to you?

If i should start "thinking like a muslim" now...I would like to hear
every single muslim government/leader apologize for islamic terrorists
blowing up innoncent people, burning our flag as well (since its a
christian symbol) and cutting christian throats on camera on
Al-jazeera.

Think they'll do that? And why not?

>
>What is your feeling when you see someone burning the Danish flag? Do you
>get angry or is it totally cool because it's free of expression?

Most Danes would think its tasteless, but they'd just go on with their
lives and wouldnt start acting like lunatics like they're doing in
Syria, Lebanon, Palaestine etc.etc. In a way, burning the danish flag
is just as much mocking our religion, as the cartoons are mocking
islam. Are we even now?

Rane

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Rene <ranemandenDELETE@DELETEgmail.com> wrote:
> On 07 Feb 2006 18:56:09 GMT, nospam@nospam.aaa (salama) wrote:
>
> >I don't approve of any killings or destruction but the muslims have the
> >right to express their anger and they have the right to boycott whatever
> >they like. You want an apology for what exactly?
>
> Yes, they can be angry and start a demonstration without destroying
> buildings and killing people.
>
> Why is it that muslims seem to blame the danish people in general,
> when its only one newspaper to blame? Boycutting everything danish
> seem logical to you?

I guess because most Danish people support what the paper did? Do you want
to tell me that most of the Danish are not happy with that paper? What are
the discussions in this group about.. support for the paper or support for
Arab opinions. Come on.

>
> If i should start "thinking like a muslim" now...I would like to hear
> every single muslim government/leader apologize for islamic terrorists
> blowing up innoncent people, burning our flag as well (since its a
> christian symbol) and cutting christian throats on camera on
> Al-jazeera.

Islamic terrorists do not represent the muslims. They happen to be muslims
using the religion as an excuse. Most People in the world believe that a
few muslims are terrorists therefore all muslims are terrosists. These
terrorists are opposing the US occupancy. What are their demands? Their
demands are for the US to leave Iraq and the middle east and stop
interferring in their business. They are not asking Christians to convert
to Islam!! Maybe you forgot that these terroists have killed many other
Iraqi's who are also muslims. They kidnapped other muslim Egyyptians and
Arabs. Why does everything boil down to muslim and non muslim?


>
> Think they'll do that? And why not?
>
> >
> >What is your feeling when you see someone burning the Danish flag? Do
> >you get angry or is it totally cool because it's free of expression?
>
> Most Danes would think its tasteless, but they'd just go on with their
> lives and wouldnt start acting like lunatics like they're doing in
> Syria, Lebanon, Palaestine etc.etc. In a way, burning the danish flag
> is just as much mocking our religion, as the cartoons are mocking
> islam. Are we even now?

Depecting the prophet Mohammad is a very very sensitive issue. The muslims
themsleves do not do it AT ALL. NOT EVEN in a RESPECTFUL manner. As long as
non muslims do not understand this fact and trivialize the issue, hostility
will always be there. Why can't some people leave this issue alone? If you
have problems with islamic terrrists, then by all means, make fun of them.
Drawy cartoons, jokes, comedy skits. We will laugh with you. But the
prophet is NOT a laughing matter. You may make jokes of your queen, gays,
Jesus..etc. Don't think because you can do this, you can do it against
other nations or beliefs.

Why is it so hard for you to respect other people and hide behind "freedom
of expression". You can joke all you want about your queen.

Salama

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"salama" <nospam@nospam.aaa> skrev i en meddelelse
news:20060207145804.879$gd@newsreader.com

> But the prophet is NOT a
> laughing matter.

Boy, you are SO wrong. The "prophet" is by all means a laughing matter.

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Jens Bruun wrote:
> "salama" <nospam@nospam.aaa> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:20060207145804.879$gd@newsreader.com
>
>
>>But the prophet is NOT a
>>laughing matter.
>
>
> Boy, you are SO wrong. The "prophet" is by all means a laughing matter.

Haha... ROTFLOL. True!


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On 07 Feb 2006 19:55:32 GMT, nospam@nospam.aaa (salama) wrote:


>> Why is it that muslims seem to blame the danish people in general,
>> when its only one newspaper to blame? Boycutting everything danish
>> seem logical to you?
>
>I guess because most Danish people support what the paper did?

You know, actually a lot of danes don't. But most danes are indeed
defending it's right to do so. And that's the whole point.

---

On 07 Feb 2006 19:55:32 GMT, nospam@nospam.aaa (salama) wrote:

>> Why is it that muslims seem to blame the danish people in general,
>> when its only one newspaper to blame? Boycutting everything danish
>> seem logical to you?
>
>I guess because most Danish people support what the paper did? Do you want
>to tell me that most of the Danish are not happy with that paper? What are
>the discussions in this group about.. support for the paper or support for
>Arab opinions. Come on.

Many Danes think it was a bad idea to publish the cartoons, meaning
they dont support this action. They do, however, support the freedom
of speech and Im sure that the newspapers intention was NOT to mock
muslims. They made a mistake and they apologized if muslims got
offended by it...end of story really. Why cant they just accept that
apology and move on?

>>
>> If i should start "thinking like a muslim" now...I would like to hear
>> every single muslim government/leader apologize for islamic terrorists
>> blowing up innoncent people, burning our flag as well (since its a
>> christian symbol) and cutting christian throats on camera on
>> Al-jazeera.
>
>Islamic terrorists do not represent the muslims. They happen to be muslims
>using the religion as an excuse. Most People in the world believe that a
>few muslims are terrorists therefore all muslims are terrosists. These
>terrorists are opposing the US occupancy. What are their demands? Their
>demands are for the US to leave Iraq and the middle east and stop
>interferring in their business. They are not asking Christians to convert
>to Islam!! Maybe you forgot that these terroists have killed many other
>Iraqi's who are also muslims. They kidnapped other muslim Egyyptians and
>Arabs. Why does everything boil down to muslim and non muslim?
>

And us Danes doesnt represent the newspaper who published the cartoon.
But still you want us, the government etc.etc. to apologize? It seems
like you demand the common Dane to apologize....so why shouldnt the
muslim leaders apologize as well? It's basically the same.


>> Most Danes would think its tasteless, but they'd just go on with their
>> lives and wouldnt start acting like lunatics like they're doing in
>> Syria, Lebanon, Palaestine etc.etc. In a way, burning the danish flag
>> is just as much mocking our religion, as the cartoons are mocking
>> islam. Are we even now?
>
>Depecting the prophet Mohammad is a very very sensitive issue. The muslims
>themsleves do not do it AT ALL. NOT EVEN in a RESPECTFUL manner. As long as
>non muslims do not understand this fact and trivialize the issue, hostility
>will always be there. Why can't some people leave this issue alone? If you
>have problems with islamic terrrists, then by all means, make fun of them.
>Drawy cartoons, jokes, comedy skits. We will laugh with you. But the
>prophet is NOT a laughing matter. You may make jokes of your queen, gays,
>Jesus..etc. Don't think because you can do this, you can do it against
>other nations or beliefs.

First of all, we're not very much into the islamic world, the koran
etc. I dont know what it all says in the Koran. It would seem more
logical to me if Allah (as the god) was not to be portraited and
Mohammad the prophet (as a man) could be portraited. But as i wrote,
we know nothing about the Koran. You cant expect us to know a lot
about your religion and tradition (that the prophet thing is very very
sensitive issue, as you state).

And besides, there has been tons of Mohammad drawings on the Internet
and in other media throughout the years. How come that suddenly now
you "go crazy" about it? If it's because of the one drawing of
Mohammed with a bomb in his turban....then it doesnt make sense from
our point of view. We have seen muslims blowing themselves and others
up for many years, thereby associating muslims/Mohammad with bombs
does come natural. And when we watch how muslims on tv claims to be a
peaceful nation, while they swing around their shooting AK-47s while
wearing their skimasks....its all suddenly quite ironic.

>
>Why is it so hard for you to respect other people and hide behind "freedom
>of expression". You can joke all you want about your queen.

You know, it actually is possible to respect other people/religions
and at the same write critically about them. How come that many
arabic countries doesnt respect OUR religion? Can a christian travel
there with a bible and read it in a café there? Cause just so you
know...a muslim can do that with his/her Koran on a café here.

Rane

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On 07 Feb 2006 18:56:09 GMT, nospam@nospam.aaa (salama) wrote:

>"TS" <sp@m.com> wrote:
>> "salama" <nospam@nospam.aaa> wrote in message
>> news:20060207124507.281$8V@newsreader.com...
>> > [I hope some people here understand English. I would like to express my
>> > opinion]
>> >
>> > It seems many Danes and a lot of other European citizens are confused
>> > between freedom of speech/expression and freedom to lie and insult
>> > other cultures and religions.
>> You are confused. The heading should be the muslims and the cartoons
>> fiasco, as these cartoons have shown the world what intolerance and hate
>> islam breed.
>
>Why don't I insult you and your family in a newspaper cartoon and let me
>know if that's ok with you.
>
>
>>
>> >
>> > These people are ignorant to what is insulting and blasphemous. As a
>> > Muslim, I am offended by those cartoons and more by the support these
>> > people are giving. In Islam, you can't depict the prophet is any way or
>> > form even in a respecful way. Yet these cartoonist and newspapers
>> > editors are totally ignorant, irresponsible or plain do not care of the
>> > consequences.
>> You obviously have no idea of what free speech is...
>
>At least I have a common sense idea. There's a limit to where you can have
>freedom of speech before going too far.

>Tell me, can I insult Jesus and the Danes here.. is it ok with you?

In this forum? Sure - go ahead. See we have freedom of speech and You
can write whatever You like without risking Your life.
You will proberbly get some harsh counter-arguments though

>
>>
>> >
>> > Many Christians kill other people. I bet Christians will not be too
>> > thrilled to see cartoons of Jesus Christ carrying a machine gun
>> > shooting. Is it the fault of Jesus that some Christians kill people?
>>
>> If they use christianity or blashemy as their their reason to hurt or
>> even kill people then it's the religion fault of that madness.
>
>Why? They can be using religion to give their cause authenticity and
>support to manipulate people's beliefs. Why blame religion for this?
>
>> >
>> > Now muslim countries are boycotting Danish products and the Danes are
>> > screaming of foul play. Companies are losing a lot of money and
>> > starting to
>> > lay off workers. Guess what? The muslims are expressing their opinions
>> > about the Danes and poeple who support them. That's the muslims way of
>> > free
>> > of expression.. fair game? Next time think twice before making a stupid
>> > move that specially when you livelihood depends on it.
>> >
>> > When you play with fire, you might get burnt.
>> >
>> Everyone have the right to an opinion but don't force it on others. im
>> offended and disgusted by all muslims wanting to limit free speech of
>> others and kills and destroy anyone who have a different opinion. I want
>> an apology from muslims NOW
>
>I don't approve of any killings or destruction but the muslims have the
>right to express their anger and they have the right to boycott whatever
>they like. You want an apology for what exactly?
>
>What is your feeling when you see someone burning the Danish flag? Do you
>get angry or is it totally cool because it's free of expression?
>
>If you want to practice freedom of speech with no respect to anything,
>someone will be offended and problems will happen.
>
>Salama

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On 07 Feb 2006 18:56:09 GMT, nospam@nospam.aaa (salama) wrote:



I thing what danish newspapers do is a matter within the danish
society. It has absolutely nothing to do with you or whatever country,
you are from.

It insults me when people abroud think that they should have an
opinion about how things work in our country. Forget about it.

Secondly, if a muslim fool makes something which I consider a mistake,
I get angry with him, not the whole country for christ sake.

Would you like to see your entire country being blamed for something a
single person or newspaper have done?

I am afraid this case shows an enormous difference between our
cultures. I can to some degree accept a boycot, but violence due to a
cartoon is disgraceful and an insult to an entire religion if that
wants to claim to be a peaceful religion. In our culture, we either
write a letter about our anger, we take the case to court or we simply
ignore it.

In denmark all religions are from time to time the center of people
making fun of it. Jesus have been portratet in oh so many ways, among
other things there was a movie about his sex-life 20 years ago, and an
artist painted him with his erected penis. Now THAT is insulting, but
actually almost everybody feels that it only shows the artist as being
a fool.

And yes, our religion has a whole lot of paragraphs that states what
we can do or not do, but we will under no circumstances accept
religious stories that shall determine the lifes of all people in
2006. If you want to life Sharia-like and follow your religion to
fuill extent, it is your case, but dont ever think that other people
must do the same.

How difficult can it be to ignore the cartoons. Have you seen them?
Perhaps one or 2 can be hurtfull, but other cartoons criticise the
newspaper or an author of a book.

I am sure your holy spirits are strong enough to be the centerpoint of
funny cartoons.

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On 07 Feb 2006 18:56:09 GMT, nospam@nospam.aaa (salama) wrote:
I forget to write that I enjoy reading your comments. It is always
nice to exchange views, even when you disagree completely.

In fact this is what the global matter lacks - people communicating
with each other.

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On 07 Feb 2006 18:56:09 GMT, salama wrote:

> At least I have a common sense idea. There's a limit to where you can have
> freedom of speech before going too far. Tell me, can I insult Jesus and the
> Danes here.. is it ok with you?

From now and about two ramadans, just go ahead...

--
Med Venlig Hilsen
Bruno Christensen

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> "TS" <sp@m.com> wrote:
>> "salama" <nospam@nospam.aaa> wrote in message
>> news:20060207124507.281$8V@newsreader.com...
>> > [I hope some people here understand English. I would like to express my
>> > opinion]
>> >
>> > It seems many Danes and a lot of other European citizens are confused
>> > between freedom of speech/expression and freedom to lie and insult
>> > other cultures and religions.
>> You are confused. The heading should be the muslims and the cartoons
>> fiasco, as these cartoons have shown the world what intolerance and hate
>> islam breed.
>
> Why don't I insult you and your family in a newspaper cartoon and let me
> know if that's ok with you.
>
hehe yeah you can do that - im an adult...but of course i think your an
idiot then - dosen't mean i want a apology from your country. See the point.
If not use your brain for once.

>
>>
>> >
>> > These people are ignorant to what is insulting and blasphemous. As a
>> > Muslim, I am offended by those cartoons and more by the support these
>> > people are giving. In Islam, you can't depict the prophet is any way or
>> > form even in a respecful way. Yet these cartoonist and newspapers
>> > editors are totally ignorant, irresponsible or plain do not care of the
>> > consequences.
>> You obviously have no idea of what free speech is...
>
> At least I have a common sense idea. There's a limit to where you can have
> freedom of speech before going too far. Tell me, can I insult Jesus and
> the
> Danes here.. is it ok with you?
you can insult jesus the magician and mohammed the thug and you already
insulted the danes by interfering in
our freedom becuase of cartoons in a danish newspaper which was only shown
to the world by lyeing imams from denmark who we have welcomed and
tolerated. A couple of imams in denmark have lyed now - is that honourable
in islam?
>
>>
>> >
>> > Many Christians kill other people. I bet Christians will not be too
>> > thrilled to see cartoons of Jesus Christ carrying a machine gun
>> > shooting. Is it the fault of Jesus that some Christians kill people?
>>
>> If they use christianity or blashemy as their their reason to hurt or
>> even kill people then it's the religion fault of that madness.
>
> Why? They can be using religion to give their cause authenticity and
> support to manipulate people's beliefs. Why blame religion for this?
>
Cause religion is part of the cause and breed intolerance which is seen very
often by muslims and other religions of cause.

>> >
>> > Now muslim countries are boycotting Danish products and the Danes are
>> > screaming of foul play. Companies are losing a lot of money and
>> > starting to
>> > lay off workers. Guess what? The muslims are expressing their opinions
>> > about the Danes and poeple who support them. That's the muslims way of
>> > free
>> > of expression.. fair game? Next time think twice before making a stupid
>> > move that specially when you livelihood depends on it.
>> >
>> > When you play with fire, you might get burnt.
>> >
>> Everyone have the right to an opinion but don't force it on others. im
>> offended and disgusted by all muslims wanting to limit free speech of
>> others and kills and destroy anyone who have a different opinion. I want
>> an apology from muslims NOW
>
> I don't approve of any killings or destruction but the muslims have the
> right to express their anger and they have the right to boycott whatever
> they like. You want an apology for what exactly?
i want an apology for trying to limit our freedom by violence, threats and
destruction of danish property.

>
> What is your feeling when you see someone burning the Danish flag? Do you
> get angry or is it totally cool because it's free of expression?
>
you can burn the flag but ill hate you.. dosent mean i hate you all...

> If you want to practice freedom of speech with no respect to anything,
> someone will be offended and problems will happen.
>
if you are offended it means there is a truth to it and maby you should try
learn from that. put a little thought into your answers and if muslims want
to stay in ignorant bliss please stay in the poor oppressed muslim
countries.

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>
> Why don't I insult you and your family in a newspaper cartoon and let me
> know if that's ok with you.
>

Well, go ahead


>
> At least I have a common sense idea. There's a limit to where you can have
> freedom of speech before going too far. Tell me, can I insult Jesus and
the
> Danes here.. is it ok with you?
>

Yes.
Wee are used to it.
The same as several european countrys are.
At the present "peaseloving" moslems are holding 2 germans hostiges.
In the end, they wil probbably slit their troats..!!
In the name of Allah and Mohammed.
Its seen before. And wil bee seen again and again..!!
Thats what I call insulting.
Insulting for the whole of mankind.
Where are the outcry from all the moslems?
They probbably find it ok?
Compare that with a simple drawing?


> > > Many Christians kill other people. I bet Christians will not be too
> > > thrilled to see cartoons of Jesus Christ carrying a machine gun
> > > shooting. Is it the fault of Jesus that some Christians kill people?

A few minutes ago, they ran a short picture in danish T.V.
An actor, dressed as jesus, dancing singing down the footwalk of the street.
Until he tryed to cross the street.
And was run over by a bus.
Strange maybee, but my family found the picture quite funny.
And yes, we are cristians.
You see, a great differens in culture.
I dont expect you to understand this attitude.
But you must respect, thats there is a difference.


>
> I don't approve of any killings or destruction but the muslims have the
> right to express their anger and they have the right to boycott whatever
> they like. You want an apology for what exactly?

> What is your feeling when you see someone burning the Danish flag? Do you
> get angry or is it totally cool because it's free of expression?


Wee dont want an apology for nothing. Wee own the cristian gift of
forgiving.
Exept maybe, that there are a few embassys, in need of reconstruction?
And, this youre not aware of:
Our flag, the one the moslims are burning, are to us not only a flag.
At the same time, its a religius symbol.
The white cross, you know?
Or maybe you didnt know?
Actually the burning of my flag are compareble, and in the same league of
offence, as the drawings may be to you.
But cristianity are a forgiving religion.
Thats why the arabian embassys are NOT burning in denmark.
See the differense?

ES

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On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:31:14 +0100, "Egon Stich" <egon-stich@mail.dk>
wrote:


>Thats why the arabian embassys are NOT burning in denmark.
>See the differense?

Not a big chance that she does....

Mvh,
--
Flemming

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> [I hope some people here understand English. I would like to express my
> opinion]
>
> It seems many Danes and a lot of other European citizens are confused
> between freedom of speech/expression and freedom to lie and insult other
> cultures and religions.
>

We do not in Danmark have freedom to lie.
And we not have freedom to insult.
But we have freedom to joke about matters we do not understand, such as why
a book for children about Mohammad can not have any pictures.

And that was why Jyllandsposten asked for paiters, who would dare make a
picture of Mohammad.
That Mohammad on these paintings are making fun of a lot of famous danish
people, I do not image that others that danes can see.
So it is kind of an inside joke in a small country.

And I do not expect the joke to be understanded by other, than people who
knows the danish society very well.


> These people are ignorant to what is insulting and blasphemous.

In retrospect, of course they are.
No one in Danmark, i guess wants to see the danish flag burn.
We have fought for freedom, and for the right to remain a free nation, as
long as history goes.
To see af danish flag burn, is so insulting and hurting to so many danish
peoples feelings, that even the oldest and the youngest express a wish to do
something to prevent it.
I guess only because the people who burn our flag seems so out of control
people in this country control themselfes.
Showing, that we are civilized opposed to others.
Guess You should be happy for that, because that is the only reason why
violence has not yet escalated even more.


As a
> Muslim, I am offended by those cartoons and more by the support these
> people are giving.

Other muslims do not care.


In Islam, you can't depict the prophet is any way or
> form even in a respecful way.

A lot of muslims are not even allowed to make pictures of humans or animals.
Do you expect all muslims and non-muslims to live according to that rule?

And if so, do you think that the muslim world as such would be so kind as to
tell the northern and western wordl kindly, but officially,
how we have to live according to your rules, in order not to risk causing a
new world war, for instance over some drawings?
What will be your next reason to burn down danish flags and buildings?
Give death-threaths to danisk journalist and cartoon-painters????
Or som hitherho unknown group of people, you suddenly feel insults you.

The reaction to these paintings is terroristic, in its nature.
So shame on you, and say that you are sorry!
On all TV-stations in the whole wide world 5 times a day.


Yet these cartoonist and newspapers editors
> are totally ignorant, irresponsible or plain do not care of the
> consequences. These people ask "what's the big deal". May be Christians
> can
> depect Jesus in drawings, cartoons, make fun of him, slander him or
> whatever, but that doesn't give them the right to do the same to another
> religion. This just shows total ignorance of these people.
>

The painters just painted, and they did not imagine the reaction.
They were brave, since they had heard, than noone would make pictures to af
book for children,
but they dared.

And I respect them for it.
So should you!
Free humans stand against threats.
They will be global heroes in the next century.

> Many Christians kill other people. I bet Christians will not be too
> thrilled to see cartoons of Jesus Christ carrying a machine gun shooting.
> Is it the fault of Jesus that some Christians kill people?
>

There is a difference between the history of Jesus and Mohammad.
We see Jesus pictured as walking on water, but drowning :):):)

Or giving fish away, when people ask for something else than fish.

We read novels about Jesus being an ordinary man, who married a whore and
flight to Europe, and it is actualle a bestseller (The Da Vinci mystery)
but we do not threatens to kill the author, but read his book to be
enlightened.

In danish newspaper, you saw pictures of Mohammad, whit the face of many
famous danish people.

It was a joke!
Man!
Try to understand.
In it not insulting your faith in any way, it may be insulting to some
danes.
But they did not complain, probably because it is part of being famous ( or
infamous)


> Now muslim countries are boycotting Danish products and the Danes are
> screaming of foul play.

Danes do not scream, and we have not been screaming.
Muslims are the ones who scream all over the world.



Companies are losing a lot of money and starting to
> lay off workers. Guess what? The muslims are expressing their opinions
> about the Danes and poeple who support them. That's the muslims way of
> free
> of expression.. fair game? Next time think twice before making a stupid
> move that specially when you livelihood depends on it.
>

Some companies! The one people mention is not wellliked by many danes,
because it is a very big fusion between large companies in Danmark af Sweden
united.
And it is, I would say, not at all part of most danes considerations about
the actual situation.
We do care, though, whether muslim diabetics get their medicin, now that
non-diabetic muslims refuse them to by insulin.
The market for danish dairy products can be mooved.
And it will be moved, causing unemployment in Riatt and other places in the
Middle east.




> When you play with fire, you might get burnt.
>
> Salama


Ja, remember that,
but look at who plays with fire.

Norma

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On 07 Feb 2006 17:42:36 GMT, nospam@nospam.aaa (salama) wrote:

>It seems many Danes and a lot of other European citizens are confused
>between freedom of speech/expression and freedom to lie and insult other
>cultures and religions.

You just dont get it do you?
Danish newspapers / danish standup comedians etc makes fun of everything.
Our own queen, gay, blind people, God etc.

And now they should stop drawing mohammed just because some peoples feelings are hurt?
Give me a break.

I am sure that I could find something which offended me in some obscure arab newspaper.
Should I start burning flags just because of that?

>Many Christians kill other people. I bet Christians will not be too
>thrilled to see cartoons of Jesus Christ carrying a machine gun shooting.

Most of us wouldnt even care.
We would say "oh just another silly cartoon".

>Now muslim countries are boycotting Danish products and the Danes are
>screaming of foul play. Companies are losing a lot of money and starting to
>lay off workers. Guess what? The muslims are expressing their opinions
>about the Danes and poeple who support them. That's the muslims way of free
>of expression.. fair game?

If you havent noticed... we dont care so much about that.
Not so much anyway that we are going to give you what you demand, an apology.
That will never happen.

> Next time think twice before making a stupid
>move that specially when you livelihood depends on it.

The only people killed so far in this matter are silly demonstrating extremists in 3rd world arab
dictatorship countries. No loss.

>When you play with fire, you might get burnt.

Read above. We dont care much.

Regards
Sune

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Sune <januar2001@tdcadslx.dk> wrote:
> On 07 Feb 2006 17:42:36 GMT, nospam@nospam.aaa (salama) wrote:
>
> >It seems many Danes and a lot of other European citizens are confused
> >between freedom of speech/expression and freedom to lie and insult other
> >cultures and religions.
>
> You just dont get it do you?
> Danish newspapers / danish standup comedians etc makes fun of everything.
> Our own queen, gay, blind people, God etc.
>
> And now they should stop drawing mohammed just because some peoples
> feelings are hurt? Give me a break.
>
> I am sure that I could find something which offended me in some obscure
> arab newspaper. Should I start burning flags just because of that?
>
> >Many Christians kill other people. I bet Christians will not be too
> >thrilled to see cartoons of Jesus Christ carrying a machine gun
> >shooting.
>
> Most of us wouldnt even care.
> We would say "oh just another silly cartoon".

Maybe because you have no morals? Self centered.. I-don't-care attiude
towards everything? Rampant apathy? Frigid cold no feeling boring whatever.
Why force your attitute toward others?


>
> >Now muslim countries are boycotting Danish products and the Danes are
> >screaming of foul play. Companies are losing a lot of money and starting
> >to lay off workers. Guess what? The muslims are expressing their
> >opinions about the Danes and poeple who support them. That's the muslims
> >way of free of expression.. fair game?
>
> If you havent noticed... we dont care so much about that.

You will when you get laid off and live on welfare due to losses in
millions in revenue every day. See links below.


> Not so much anyway that we are going to give you what you demand, an
> apology. That will never happen.

Maybe. When you insult your neighbor and keep doing it, I am sure he will
do something about it.

>
> > Next time think twice before making a stupid
> >move that specially when you livelihood depends on it.
>
> The only people killed so far in this matter are silly demonstrating
> extremists in 3rd world arab dictatorship countries. No loss.

> >When you play with fire, you might get burnt.
>
> Read above. We dont care much.

What are you gaining by insulting others? If you don't care about your own
religion or have no beliefs, at least respect others'.

I think if this boycott goes for along time, you will probably feel it in
some way. The Arabs have nothing to lose if they don't consume Danish
products, but your country will feel the loss of all these hundreds of
millions.

I will wait and see before the Danish companies execs start feeling the
pain and see what they have to say.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/02/07/cartoon.protests/index.html
http://www.euractiv.com/Article?tcmuri=tcm:29-152119-16&type=News
http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/060130/323/g2hk1.html
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11149624/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4676614.stm
http://archive.gulfnews.com/indepth/danishcontroversy/more_stories/10014845
..html


Salama

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On 07 Feb 2006 19:20:56 GMT, nospam@nospam.aaa (salama) wrote:

>> Most of us wouldnt even care.
>> We would say "oh just another silly cartoon".
>
>Maybe because you have no morals? Self centered.. I-don't-care attiude
>towards everything? Rampant apathy? Frigid cold no feeling boring whatever.

Its because we have a tradition of being able to make fun of everything.
The drawings were part of a legit discussion in a newspaper and therefore valid in our country.

>Why force your attitute toward others?

Why force your religion upon others?

>You will when you get laid off and live on welfare due to losses in
>millions in revenue every day. See links below.

Some might be laid off. But that number isnt high enough to care about.
Our un-employment rate is 5% which is outstanding.
It might get to 6% without ANY arab business but thats hardly worth mentioning.

And every day we are only get more proud while defending our own traditions.

>> Not so much anyway that we are going to give you what you demand, an
>> apology. That will never happen.
>
>Maybe. When you insult your neighbor and keep doing it, I am sure he will
>do something about it.

Feel free to boycot our products.

>> Read above. We dont care much.
>
>What are you gaining by insulting others? If you don't care about your own
>religion or have no beliefs, at least respect others'.

What are you gaining by trying to enforce your religion up on the danes?

>I think if this boycott goes for along time, you will probably feel it in
>some way. The Arabs have nothing to lose if they don't consume Danish
>products, but your country will feel the loss of all these hundreds of
>millions.

For every dane laid of there will be about 8 arabs laid of. ( So i read somewhere )
Thats justice!

>I will wait and see before the Danish companies execs start feeling the
>pain and see what they have to say.

They have already implied that they would want EVERY dane to make an apology, in order to keep the
arab business.

But they are whores and they didnt write our constitution which says that its ok to draw anything as
long as it isnt out of hatred.

Regards
Sune

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Sune <januar2001@tdcadslx.dk> wrote:
> On 07 Feb 2006 19:20:56 GMT, nospam@nospam.aaa (salama) wrote:
>
> >> Most of us wouldnt even care.
> >> We would say "oh just another silly cartoon".
> >
> >Maybe because you have no morals? Self centered.. I-don't-care attiude
> >towards everything? Rampant apathy? Frigid cold no feeling boring
> >whatever.
>
> Its because we have a tradition of being able to make fun of everything.
> The drawings were part of a legit discussion in a newspaper and therefore
> valid in our country.

It boils down to respect other people. You respect other people the same
way you want people to respect you. There are millions of topics to make
fun of, why choose a topic that's going to make millions of people angry?
Even muslims respect Jesus. I have never seen an Arabic cartoon making fun
of Jesus. Muslims won't dare because muslims belive in him. When your
country is isolated from the rest of the world, maybe you can do that.
What's legit about that discussion? AFAIK, it was a contest for best
cartoons?


> >Why force your attitute toward others?
>
> Why force your religion upon others?

Why do you say that? The muslims are saying do not mock their prophet. They
are not asking you to convert.


> >You will when you get laid off and live on welfare due to losses in
> >millions in revenue every day. See links below.
>
> Some might be laid off. But that number isnt high enough to care about.
> Our un-employment rate is 5% which is outstanding.
> It might get to 6% without ANY arab business but thats hardly worth
> mentioning.
>
> And every day we are only get more proud while defending our own
> traditions.

Tradition to desrespect others? Some tradition to be proud of!

>
> >> Not so much anyway that we are going to give you what you demand, an
> >> apology. That will never happen.
> >
> >Maybe. When you insult your neighbor and keep doing it, I am sure he
> >will do something about it.
>
> Feel free to boycot our products.
>
> >> Read above. We dont care much.
> >
> >What are you gaining by insulting others? If you don't care about your
> >own religion or have no beliefs, at least respect others'.
>
> What are you gaining by trying to enforce your religion up on the danes?

Why do people keep saying this? I think I am starting to understand how the
Danes think. Because you're asked not to insult a religion, you think
you're forced into that religion? Interesting logic!


>
> >I think if this boycott goes for along time, you will probably feel it
> >in some way. The Arabs have nothing to lose if they don't consume Danish
> >products, but your country will feel the loss of all these hundreds of
> >millions.
>
> For every dane laid of there will be about 8 arabs laid of. ( So i read
> somewhere ) Thats justice!

Well there's high employment in the Arab countries. A few more is not going
to make a difference. :) Plus the Arabs are in millions compared with your
low population so 1 to 8 is statistically valid. Why do you say 8
unepmployed? These countries are mostly stopping the imports. Shipping
docks workers!?


>
> >I will wait and see before the Danish companies execs start feeling the
> >pain and see what they have to say.
>
> They have already implied that they would want EVERY dane to make an
> apology, in order to keep the arab business.

Interesting! Money sure talks. They threw away their belief in freedom of
expression. Where's the Danish solidarity? Make fun of everything won't get
you far.


> But they are whores and they didnt write our constitution which says that
> its ok to draw anything as long as it isnt out of hatred.

I think those cartoons are out of hatred. They are surely not drawn
because they love those muslim terrorists.

Salama

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> It boils down to respect other people.

Respect is earned, not birth-given nor god-given.

> You respect other people the
> same way you want people to respect you.

No. We respect people who deserves to be respected. Respect is not
birth-given nor god-given. You can't threat us to show you respect. You'll
have to earn our respect and you're not doing a very good job for the time
being. Don't quit your day job.

> Tradition to desrespect others? Some tradition to be proud of!

Yes. That's why we live in a modern, well-functioning part of the world and
not in some medieval muslim third world country. We praise the right to
desrespect those who don't deserve our respect. We praise the right to
express our desrespect freely without fearing violence and death.

> Make fun of
> everything won't get you far.

You wanna bet? Let's compare Denmark to muslim countries and see which
civilization is superior...

This explains why so many muslims wants to flee their own country and settle
down in eg. Denmark and other non-muslim countries. Your religion and
culture is sooooo inferior. You and all your fellow muslims know it. That's
why you hate us so much, isn't it?

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On 07 Feb 2006 20:16:18 GMT, nospam@nospam.aaa (salama) wrote:

>It boils down to respect other people. You respect other people the same
>way you want people to respect you. There are millions of topics to make
>fun of, why choose a topic that's going to make millions of people angry?
>Even muslims respect Jesus. I have never seen an Arabic cartoon making fun
>of Jesus.

I have seen lots of arab cartoons making fun of jews.

Why is that arabs thinks they can make the rules saying that its ok to make fun of jews but not of
holy people?

What if I tell you its not ok to make fun of short people?
Who should draw the line?

Certainly not some foreign country, but my own.

>> >Why force your attitute toward others?
>>
>> Why force your religion upon others?
>
>Why do you say that? The muslims are saying do not mock their prophet. They
>are not asking you to convert.

Muslims has a tradition of not allowing drawings of mohammed.
Danes has the tradition to be free to draw everything they want.

Why is it that your tradition should limit our tradition?
And inside our own country?

If I take my wife to an arab country where women are supposed to wear Burkas, i cant just tell the
muslims that they have to respect the rules of denmark.

Arab rules apply in arab countries and danish rules apply in denmark.

>Why do people keep saying this? I think I am starting to understand how the
>Danes think. Because you're asked not to insult a religion, you think
>you're forced into that religion? Interesting logic!

Read above.

>Why do you say 8
>unepmployed? These countries are mostly stopping the imports. Shipping
>docks workers!?

Cause thats the number i read.
It takes 1 dane to produce all the stuff it takes 8 muslims to transport/store/sell/drive etc.

>I think those cartoons are out of hatred. They are surely not drawn
>because they love those muslim terrorists.

Why should it be wrong to draw a picture mohammed as a muslim terrorist?
Why should it be wrong to draw a picture of priest as a phedofile?
Why should it be wrong to drag a picture of chineese people eating rice?

Wake up!
Muslims terrorists appraise mohammed, some priests are phedofiles and chineese people do eat rice!

And who should draw the line?
No one! Thats freedom of speech! (as long as it isnt made out of hatred)

Regards
Sune

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"salama" <nospam@nospam.aaa> skrev i en meddelelse
news:20060207151850.872$DE@newsreader.com...
> Sune <januar2001@tdcadslx.dk> wrote:
> > On 07 Feb 2006 19:20:56 GMT, nospam@nospam.aaa (salama) wrote:
>
> >
> > What are you gaining by trying to enforce your religion up on the danes?
>
> Why do people keep saying this? I think I am starting to understand how
the
> Danes think. Because you're asked not to insult a religion, you think
> you're forced into that religion? Interesting logic!
>

Its not "logic", but experience.
Part of our moslem immigrants demands, that we have to change some of our
laws to satisfy moslems way of life.
We have 3. generations youngsters, who cant speek danish..!!
We have moslems, who wont attend in the normal danish life, let alone have
danish friends..!!
We have moslems, that try to intimidate us to let them have their way.
They try to restricy our right to freedom of speech.

Thats some of the reasons, that the 12, for us to see, total innocent
cartoons was printet.

ES.

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On 07 Feb 2006 20:16:18 GMT, nospam@nospam.aaa (salama) wrote:


>AFAIK, it was a contest for best cartoons?

Then You are *very* poorly informed.

>> What are you gaining by trying to enforce your religion up on the danes?
>
>Why do people keep saying this? I think I am starting to understand how the
>Danes think.

That's good

> Because you're asked not to insult a religion, you think
>you're forced into that religion? Interesting logic!

Okay. You have definitely *not* understood

Religious dogmas will not dictate what we can and cannot say or do.
And btw, we are not "asked", we are threatend.

>Make fun of everything won't get you far.

You bet.

>I think those cartoons are out of hatred. They are surely not drawn
>because they love those muslim terrorists.

Do You?

>
>Salama

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On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:20:56 +0000, salama wrote:

>> Most of us wouldnt even care.
>> We would say "oh just another silly cartoon".
>
> Maybe because you have no morals?

We have lots of morals. Our moral tells us that it is wrong to kill and
burn just because somebody in a distant country publishes some innocent
drawings.

> Self centered.. I-don't-care attiude
> towards everything? Rampant apathy? Frigid cold no feeling boring whatever.
> Why force your attitute toward others?

We do not force anything on anybody. Some people from the muslim world try
to.

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"salama" <nospam@nospam.aaa> skrev i en meddelelse
news:20060207142328.831$HT@newsreader.com...
> Sune <januar2001@tdcadslx.dk> wrote:
> > On 07 Feb 2006 17:42:36 GMT, nospam@nospam.aaa (salama) wrote:
>
> I think if this boycott goes for along time, you will probably feel it in
> some way. The Arabs have nothing to lose if they don't consume Danish
> products, but your country will feel the loss of all these hundreds of
> millions.
>
> I will wait and see before the Danish companies execs start feeling the
> pain and see what they have to say.
>
> Salama

At this time, parts of the arab world, and some africans, have forced danish
helporganisations out from their countries.
Under treath of death.
This means that countless children in refugee-camps are doomed to
starvation.
And i know, that the moslims will not help..!!
A heavy price to pay for innocent children.
All this to satisfy moslem "dignity"?

And you call it:
A mercyfull and peacefull religion?

I dont think so.

ES

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Egon Stich wrote:
-snip-
> And you call it:
> A mercyfull and peacefull religion?

I believe I once heard somebody open the coran and on the first page
after opening it, it says (in arab): "Handbook for terrorists"

If muslims don't understand a simple joke, then they're just too fucking
stupid to be involved in trade with modern societies like the european
countries.


Med venlig hilsen / Best regards
Martin Jørgensen

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"salama" <nospam@nospam.aaa> skrev i en meddelelse
news:20060207124507.281$8V@newsreader.com...
> [I hope some people here understand English. I would like to express my
> opinion]
>

This is a Danish forum so firstly a piece of advice (in Danish)

Tal dansk din hund!

Translated : Speak Danish you dog! (this is a common Danish derogatory
remark used when confronted with selfrightous, pompous people of foriegn
origin - and I , based upon you newsgroup entry, regard you as one of
those.)

Notice I called you a "dog". This is deliberate. I am well aware this is
about seven times more offensive than calling you a "pig" (who invented
these idiotic rules btw and how do they know anyway?). Rest assured, it IS
my intention to offend you - you truely deserve it.

OK, here goes.

> It seems many Danes and a lot of other European citizens are confused
> between freedom of speech/expression and freedom to lie and insult other
> cultures and religions.
>

As previously mentioned - no, we are not confused, maybe you are but WGAF
anyway.


> These people are ignorant to what is insulting and blasphemous. As a
> Muslim, I am offended by those cartoons and more by the support these
> people are giving.

Your problem, not mine - get over it. I consider myself lucky NOT to be a
muslim.

> In Islam, you can't depict the prophet is any way or
> form even in a respecful way.

BTW - have you ever considered that your "prophet" might be a fake? A scam?
An imposter? Who says he's for good? Your local "imam"? Who told him?
Believe me - the world has psyciatric wards full of so called "prophets" -
usually they're poor harmless souls but, boy did you pick the wrong one! I
mean - come on - some poor bloke in the desert suffers four major strokes
and all of a sudden he sees the archangle Gabriel? And "the light"? LOL!
Yeah right.

> Yet these cartoonist and newspapers editors
> are totally ignorant, irresponsible or plain do not care of the
> consequences.

I disagree - you are the totally ignorant, irresponsible ones.

> I bet Christians will not be too
> thrilled to see cartoons of Jesus Christ carrying a machine gun shooting.

Real life images of brainwashed "Palestinian" children dressed up as "your
friendly neighborhood" jihadi, AK-47, C4 belt and all is far worse.

> Is it the fault of Jesus that some Christians kill people?

No - nobody said it was.

>
> When you play with fire, you might get burnt.
>

Who's "playing with fire" right now? Huh? Please heed your own advice -
morons.


Oh, as a final remark - Who do think you are anyway? You seem to somehow
imply that you are in a position to tell us what to do. Who gave you that
idea? Some "imam" that told you that the "infidels" are 2. class humans?
Mark my words - it's the other way around - you'll find out some day - rest
assured.

Elliot

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"salama" <nospam@nospam.aaa> skrev i en meddelelse
news:20060207124507.281$8V@newsreader.com

> It seems many Danes and a lot of other European citizens are confused
> between freedom of speech/expression and freedom to lie and insult
> other cultures and religions.

Not at all. Speak for your self only.

> These people are ignorant to what is insulting and blasphemous.

Frankly, we don't give a shit. It's called "freedom of expression". Not that
I expect you to know the meaning of that.

> As a
> Muslim, I am offended by those cartoons and more by the support these
> people are giving.

So what? I'm offended by muslim deeds every day but I don't burn down your
embassy. I just disrespect you, your religion and your so called "culture"
and "civilization".

> In Islam, you can't depict the prophet is any way
> or form even in a respecful way.

So what? I'm not muslim and frankly, I don't give a shit about muslim
taboos.

> Yet these cartoonist and newspapers
> editors are totally ignorant, irresponsible or plain do not care of
> the consequences.

We do care. We want to expose the hypocracy of the muslim world and we
succeeded by all means.

> These people ask "what's the big deal".

Yeah. Let me join in: What's the f*cking big deal?

> May be
> Christians can depect Jesus in drawings, cartoons, make fun of him,
> slander him or whatever, but that doesn't give them the right to do
> the same to another religion.

I'm not a muslim - neither a christian. I'm agnostic and don't give a shit
about muslim and christian taboos. Get it?

> This just shows total ignorance of
> these people.

No, it shows that some people are able to use their brain and not rely
entirely on stupid words written in a stupid book about a paedophile
"prophet" from the dessert.

> Many Christians kill other people. I bet Christians will not be too
> thrilled to see cartoons of Jesus Christ carrying a machine gun
> shooting. Is it the fault of Jesus that some Christians kill people?

Frankly, I don't give a shit. I'm not christian, you know.

> Now muslim countries are boycotting Danish products and the Danes are
> screaming of foul play.

No. Companies are screaming "faul play". Companies willing to sell their
mother for a few bucks. Whores are what they are.

> Companies are losing a lot of money and
> starting to lay off workers. Guess what? The muslims are expressing
> their opinions about the Danes and poeple who support them. That's
> the muslims way of free of expression.. fair game?

Yeah, fair game. Frankly, we don't give a shit. When we stop donating money
to the muslim world, we'll come out of this with more money than before the
cartoons.

> Next time think
> twice before making a stupid move that specially when you livelihood
> depends on it.

No f*cking way. You won't win this one.

> When you play with fire, you might get burnt.

Yes, and you just wait and see. The muslim world is really playing with fire
here and will soon get burnt - severely.

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On 07 Feb 2006 17:42:36 GMT, nospam@nospam.aaa (salama) wrote:

>[I hope some people here understand English. I would like to express my
>opinion]
>
>It seems many Danes and a lot of other European citizens are confused
>between freedom of speech/expression and freedom to lie and insult other
>cultures and religions.

We are not confused. But maybe You know something about insulting
others that You could share with us?

>
>These people are ignorant to what is insulting and blasphemous. As a
>Muslim, I am offended by those cartoons and more by the support these
>people are giving.

You have the right to be offended.

>In Islam, you can't depict the prophet is any way or
>form even in a respecful way.

Islamic rules may be valid to muslims. It has no validity towards
others.
Furthermore, if what You are saying is true, please explain why You
can buy posters of the prophet in the street of some muslim countries.

>Yet these cartoonist and newspapers editors
>are totally ignorant, irresponsible or plain do not care of the
>consequences. These people ask "what's the big deal". May be Christians can
>depect Jesus in drawings, cartoons, make fun of him, slander him or
>whatever, but that doesn't give them the right to do the same to another
>religion. This just shows total ignorance of these people.
>
>Many Christians kill other people. I bet Christians will not be too
>thrilled to see cartoons of Jesus Christ carrying a machine gun shooting.

Depends. If it is a funny cartoon, I might even get a little laugh
(something You people so obviously need to do a little more). I would
never act like a little child and go burn down embassies.

>Is it the fault of Jesus that some Christians kill people?
>
>Now muslim countries are boycotting Danish products and the Danes are
>screaming of foul play.

We are not screaming foul play. We are just looking at an issue
growing completely out of proportions. Highly backed by untrue
statements spread in the middle east by some of your brothers who are
living under the protection of the danish law after fleeing from
muslim countries.

Furthermore this really is not about some silly cartoons anymore. It
is about politics. Pure and simple.
I can tell You that there are many muslims living their daily lives in
Denmark who are getting sick and tired of people like You.

>Companies are losing a lot of money and starting to
>lay off workers. Guess what? The muslims are expressing their opinions
>about the Danes and poeple who support them. That's the muslims way of free
>of expression.. fair game? Next time think twice before making a stupid
>move that specially when you livelihood depends on it.

Yes, You have in fact tought us to think twice before even dealing
with muslims. You are ruining Your own case.

>
>When you play with fire, you might get burnt.

Something You should think about too.

>
>Salama

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"salama" <nospam@nospam.aaa> skrev i en meddelelse
news:20060207124507.281$8V@newsreader.com...
> [I hope some people here understand English. I would like to express my
> opinion]
>
> It seems many Danes and a lot of other European citizens are confused
> between freedom of speech/expression and freedom to lie and insult other
> cultures and religions.
>
> These people are ignorant to what is insulting and blasphemous. As a
> Muslim, I am offended by those cartoons and more by the support these
> people are giving. In Islam, you can't depict the prophet is any way or
> form even in a respecful way. Yet these cartoonist and newspapers editors
> are totally ignorant, irresponsible or plain do not care of the
> consequences. These people ask "what's the big deal". May be Christians
> can
> depect Jesus in drawings, cartoons, make fun of him, slander him or
> whatever, but that doesn't give them the right to do the same to another
> religion. This just shows total ignorance of these people.
>
> Many Christians kill other people. I bet Christians will not be too
> thrilled to see cartoons of Jesus Christ carrying a machine gun shooting.
> Is it the fault of Jesus that some Christians kill people?
>
> Now muslim countries are boycotting Danish products and the Danes are
> screaming of foul play. Companies are losing a lot of money and starting
> to
> lay off workers. Guess what? The muslims are expressing their opinions
> about the Danes and poeple who support them. That's the muslims way of
> free
> of expression.. fair game? Next time think twice before making a stupid
> move that specially when you livelihood depends on it.
>
> When you play with fire, you might get burnt.
>
> Salama

First you can start and ask imam Abu Laban why he lied and show pictures i
mittle east that has never been shown in Denmark.
Thats only one of his lies, there are many others, but hey we are infidels
and that means any muslim can say what ever he likes about us or am I wrong
?

I would like an comment from you please.

Svend

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salama skrev:
> [I hope some people here understand English. I would like to express my
> opinion]
>
> It seems many Danes and a lot of other European citizens are confused
> between freedom of speech/expression and freedom to lie and insult other
> cultures and religions.
I think you mean the cartoons in Jyllands-Posten printed in september
2005 (as far as I know)
I have seen them in another place after all that debate.
No danish man or woman can be blamed for those cartoons, so we have not
any confusion between press-freedom/or freedom to lie/insult.
You can claim Jyllands-Posten bringing them.
And I am also asking you: Why do muslim people buy the newspaper?
If they didn't buy the paper, they did not see the cartoons.
There is press-freedom in Denmark. So if you are angry about the
cartoons, so please make a procecution at the danish court.
There is a deep split between the western and the middle east culture.
Even we are mostly Christian here, we take not much notice of such
cartoons, who makes fun with God, Jesus, The Pope, Allah, Muhammed,
Budda, or other religions.
We take it all with humour - and to understand the danish humour, you
MUST be a native dane.
Maybe there is some undertones in the Mohammed Cartoons, because most
terrorists in the world is using Islam-religion as the reason to murder
innocent people and destroyimg for instance WTC.
How do you think when you see the cartoon Muhammed with a bomb in his
turban?
I think: yes it is an evil religion!! and you cannot blame me for
thinking that.
>
> These people are ignorant to what is insulting and blasphemous. As a
> Muslim, I am offended by those cartoons and more by the support these
> people are giving. In Islam, you can't depict the prophet is any way or
> form even in a respecful way. Yet these cartoonist and newspapers editors
> are totally ignorant, irresponsible or plain do not care of the
> consequences. These people ask "what's the big deal". May be Christians can
> depect Jesus in drawings, cartoons, make fun of him, slander him or
> whatever, but that doesn't give them the right to do the same to another
> religion. This just shows total ignorance of these people.
>
I think I have commented this above.
But as I can see, the things which has happened until now, is
frustration from the muslims living in that part of the world,
because they are suppressed by their government and they cannot do
anything about it.
And now they suddenly have something they can protest against without
any intervention from the autorities.
Many of those muslim inhabitants don't even know where or who Denmark is
- some believe it is a town in Sweden. But when somebody ask them to
come and demonstrate - they do it with happiness.
Many the the people there are also illitterates and not educated, so
they can't hardly read, much less understand our humour. Again misplaced.

> Many Christians kill other people.
Have you any proof on that?
I bet Christians will not be too
> thrilled to see cartoons of Jesus Christ carrying a machine gun shooting.
> Is it the fault of Jesus that some Christians kill people?
>
We have 10 rules in the bible.
Number 5: You must NOT kill.

So I guess that Muslims do kill also.
It not a religious problem, but a human.

> Now muslim countries are boycotting Danish products and the Danes are
> screaming of foul play. Companies are losing a lot of money and starting to
> lay off workers. Guess what? The muslims are expressing their opinions
> about the Danes and poeple who support them. That's the muslims way of free
> of expression.. fair game?
Yes it is fair game to boycut Danish products if you don't like them,
but you still cannot blame the Danish companies for the cartoons, so
it is STILL misplaced.
Think also about those billions of money the muslim country will loose
now, because nobody from Europe (I hope) want to make any wacation
at your places. But in this way the things are working - if you are
treating people with violence and murder, we are not coming freely.
The onliest thing you will get as an result of burning the Danish flag,
and burning the Consulates is, that we are believing more and more, is,
that Islam is an evil and NOT understanding religion. It has only one
purpose: To suppress freedom of women and all steps forward to follow
the time in our world.
Next time think twice before making a stupid
> move that specially when you livelihood depends on it.
>
> When you play with fire, you might get burnt.
>
I am sorry, but you are the one who will be burnt, because I have not
done anything wrong. I am just an ordninary danish man.

> Salama
Please tell me in what country you live.

Erling, Denmark.

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Erling <e.virker@ikek.com> wrote:
> salama skrev:
> > [I hope some people here understand English. I would like to express my
> > opinion]
> >
> > It seems many Danes and a lot of other European citizens are confused
> > between freedom of speech/expression and freedom to lie and insult
> > other cultures and religions.
> I think you mean the cartoons in Jyllands-Posten printed in september
> 2005 (as far as I know)
> I have seen them in another place after all that debate.
> No danish man or woman can be blamed for those cartoons, so we have not
> any confusion between press-freedom/or freedom to lie/insult.
> You can claim Jyllands-Posten bringing them.
> And I am also asking you: Why do muslim people buy the newspaper?

So why not concentrate this hate against Islamic extrimists instead of
making every muslim an enemy and blaming their religion. Why do they buy
the paper? I don't know. What does this have to do with anything? Maybe
they want to find more lies or they just want to read the news like
everyone else.



> If they didn't buy the paper, they did not see the cartoons.

You don't have to buy the paper to know and see the cartoons. Your paper is
not available in the middle east. In case you don't know, the internet can
transmit images, scans electronically in seconds.

> There is press-freedom in Denmark. So if you are angry about the
> cartoons, so please make a procecution at the danish court.
> There is a deep split between the western and the middle east culture.
> Even we are mostly Christian here, we take not much notice of such
> cartoons, who makes fun with God, Jesus, The Pope, Allah, Muhammed,
> Budda, or other religions.
> We take it all with humour - and to understand the danish humour, you
> MUST be a native dane.

Like I said, depecting the prophet like that was very insulting. It conveys
the idea that the prophet preached the killing of people. Just because
some Islamic terrorsists kill people, now the whole religion is to blame.


> Maybe there is some undertones in the Mohammed Cartoons, because most
> terrorists in the world is using Islam-religion as the reason to murder
> innocent people and destroyimg for instance WTC.

So where people who didn't like the US. Those are not people targetting
Christians because they are Christians. Understand that religion in the
middle east is a strong belief. When some terrorists do acts in the name of
Islam, they
can get support easily. If they say they do it because they don't like the
US, they will get less support. Now many people in the world think Islam
is th enemy.

> How do you think when you see the cartoon Muhammed with a bomb in his
> turban?
> I think: yes it is an evil religion!! and you cannot blame me for
> thinking that.

I don't why you think it's evil. See above.
> >
> I think I have commented this above.
> But as I can see, the things which has happened until now, is
> frustration from the muslims living in that part of the world,
> because they are suppressed by their government and they cannot do
> anything about it.
> And now they suddenly have something they can protest against without
> any intervention from the autorities.
> Many of those muslim inhabitants don't even know where or who Denmark is
> - some believe it is a town in Sweden. But when somebody ask them to
> come and demonstrate - they do it with happiness.
> Many the the people there are also illitterates and not educated, so
> they can't hardly read, much less understand our humour. Again misplaced.

Like I said, there are millions of topics to find humor in. There's no
reason to provoke and intimidate people who are themselves suffering.

>
> > Many Christians kill other people.
> Have you any proof on that?

Most Arabs think the US hates muslims. They see the US bombing tens of
thousands of innocent civilians in Iraq and afghanistan. Maybe they think
Christianty is evil?

> I bet Christians will not be too
> > thrilled to see cartoons of Jesus Christ carrying a machine gun
> > shooting. Is it the fault of Jesus that some Christians kill people?
> >
> We have 10 rules in the bible.
> Number 5: You must NOT kill.
>
> So I guess that Muslims do kill also.
> It not a religious problem, but a human.
>
> > Now muslim countries are boycotting Danish products and the Danes are
> > screaming of foul play. Companies are losing a lot of money and
> > starting to lay off workers. Guess what? The muslims are expressing
> > their opinions about the Danes and poeple who support them. That's the
> > muslims way of free of expression.. fair game?
> Yes it is fair game to boycut Danish products if you don't like them,
> but you still cannot blame the Danish companies for the cartoons, so
> it is STILL misplaced.

It goes both ways. The world blames the muslims when a few kill and the
muslims blame Denmark for the Danish cartoons. How do you expect to react.
Travel to Denmark and demonstrate infront of the paper hq? People balme the
entity that caused the problem. Now a few other papers in the EU
republished the cartoons. It makes the middle east think the Europeans
share the same belief.


> Think also about those billions of money the muslim country will loose
> now, because nobody from Europe (I hope) want to make any wacation
> at your places. But in this way the things are working - if you are
> treating people with violence and murder, we are not coming freely.
> The onliest thing you will get as an result of burning the Danish flag,
> and burning the Consulates is, that we are believing more and more, is,
> that Islam is an evil and NOT understanding religion. It has only one
> purpose: To suppress freedom of women and all steps forward to follow
> the time in our world.


Those people are opressed by their governments so they are releasing their
anger. I am not saying I approve of what they are doing. The whole
situation is a big mess.

This is my last message here so I finally want to say is that some people
should not take their freedom of expression too far. There's enough
violence in the world for different reasons. No need to put fuel in the
fire because some people wanted some humor.

Salama

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salama skrev:
> Erling <e.virker@ikek.com> wrote:
>
>>salama skrev:
>>
>>>[I hope some people here understand English. I would like to express my
>>>opinion]
>>>
>>>It seems many Danes and a lot of other European citizens are confused
>>>between freedom of speech/expression and freedom to lie and insult
>>>other cultures and religions.
>>
>>I think you mean the cartoons in Jyllands-Posten printed in september
>>2005 (as far as I know)
>>I have seen them in another place after all that debate.
>>No danish man or woman can be blamed for those cartoons, so we have not
>>any confusion between press-freedom/or freedom to lie/insult.
>>You can claim Jyllands-Posten bringing them.
>>And I am also asking you: Why do muslim people buy the newspaper?
>
>
> So why not concentrate this hate against Islamic extrimists instead of
> making every muslim an enemy and blaming their religion. Why do they buy
> the paper? I don't know. What does this have to do with anything? Maybe
> they want to find more lies or they just want to read the news like
> everyone else.
>
I have never written here, that I hate muslims.
But I have not any good FEELINGS about them.
And I have told you the reason.
>
>
>>If they didn't buy the paper, they did not see the cartoons.
>
>
> You don't have to buy the paper to know and see the cartoons. Your paper is
> not available in the middle east. In case you don't know, the internet can
> transmit images, scans electronically in seconds.
>
Ha' - are you writing a joke - mostly have no internet there.
>
>>There is press-freedom in Denmark. So if you are angry about the
>>cartoons, so please make a procecution at the danish court.
>>There is a deep split between the western and the middle east culture.
>>Even we are mostly Christian here, we take not much notice of such
>>cartoons, who makes fun with God, Jesus, The Pope, Allah, Muhammed,
>>Budda, or other religions.
>>We take it all with humour - and to understand the danish humour, you
>>MUST be a native dane.
>
>
> Like I said, depecting the prophet like that was very insulting. It conveys
> the idea that the prophet preached the killing of people. Just because
> some Islamic terrorsists kill people, now the whole religion is to blame.
>
>
Yes you are right and it will never be changed and you know why !
>
>>Maybe there is some undertones in the Mohammed Cartoons, because most
>>terrorists in the world is using Islam-religion as the reason to murder
>>innocent people and destroyimg for instance WTC.
>
>
> So where people who didn't like the US. Those are not people targetting
> Christians because they are Christians. Understand that religion in the
> middle east is a strong belief. When some terrorists do acts in the name of
> Islam, they
> can get support easily. If they say they do it because they don't like the
> US, they will get less support. Now many people in the world think Islam
> is th enemy.
>
>
>>How do you think when you see the cartoon Muhammed with a bomb in his
>>turban?
>>I think: yes it is an evil religion!! and you cannot blame me for
>>thinking that.
>
>
> I don't why you think it's evil. See above.
>
Because it is MY feelings - and it will be very hard to change it.
Because many people of islam behaves as it owns the world and also
act like this many places.
>>I think I have commented this above.
>>But as I can see, the things which has happened until now, is
>>frustration from the muslims living in that part of the world,
>>because they are suppressed by their government and they cannot do
>>anything about it.
>>And now they suddenly have something they can protest against without
>>any intervention from the autorities.
>>Many of those muslim inhabitants don't even know where or who Denmark is
>>- some believe it is a town in Sweden. But when somebody ask them to
>>come and demonstrate - they do it with happiness.
>>Many the the people there are also illitterates and not educated, so
>>they can't hardly read, much less understand our humour. Again misplaced.
>
>
> Like I said, there are millions of topics to find humor in. There's no
> reason to provoke and intimidate people who are themselves suffering.
>
It is our way to make humour - you can never take that away from us -
it is like freedom. Some have freedom, some never had.
>
>>>Many Christians kill other people.
>>
>>Have you any proof on that?
>
>
> Most Arabs think the US hates muslims. They see the US bombing tens of
> thousands of innocent civilians in Iraq and afghanistan. Maybe they think
> Christianty is evil?
>
>
>> I bet Christians will not be too
>>
>>>thrilled to see cartoons of Jesus Christ carrying a machine gun
>>>shooting. Is it the fault of Jesus that some Christians kill people?
>>>
>>
>>We have 10 rules in the bible.
>>Number 5: You must NOT kill.
>>
>>So I guess that Muslims do kill also.
>>It not a religious problem, but a human.
>>
>>
>>>Now muslim countries are boycotting Danish products and the Danes are
>>>screaming of foul play. Companies are losing a lot of money and
>>>starting to lay off workers. Guess what? The muslims are expressing
>>>their opinions about the Danes and poeple who support them. That's the
>>>muslims way of free of expression.. fair game?
>>
>>Yes it is fair game to boycut Danish products if you don't like them,
>>but you still cannot blame the Danish companies for the cartoons, so
>>it is STILL misplaced.
>
>
> It goes both ways. The world blames the muslims when a few kill and the
> muslims blame Denmark for the Danish cartoons. How do you expect to react.
> Travel to Denmark and demonstrate infront of the paper hq? People balme the
> entity that caused the problem. Now a few other papers in the EU
> republished the cartoons. It makes the middle east think the Europeans
> share the same belief.
>
>
Yes it goes both ways. But you will NEVER see the danish people behave
so foolish, shouting, stoning and burnings buildings and flags as we now
see in TV - or is it a Fata Morgana we see - no no.
If they were children they were excusted!!!

>
>>Think also about those billions of money the muslim country will loose
>>now, because nobody from Europe (I hope) want to make any wacation
>>at your places. But in this way the things are working - if you are
>>treating people with violence and murder, we are not coming freely.
>>The onliest thing you will get as an result of burning the Danish flag,
>>and burning the Consulates is, that we are believing more and more, is,
>> that Islam is an evil and NOT understanding religion. It has only one
>>purpose: To suppress freedom of women and all steps forward to follow
>>the time in our world.
>
>
>
> Those people are opressed by their governments so they are releasing their
> anger. I am not saying I approve of what they are doing. The whole
> situation is a big mess.
Yes it is a big mess and I am afraid that it will make Islam to a very
weak religion. But the Islams are the guilty themselves.
>
> This is my last message here so I finally want to say is that some people
> should not take their freedom of expression too far. There's enough
> violence in the world for different reasons. No need to put fuel in the
> fire because some people wanted some humor.
>
Also the last message from here - we have different opinions and culture
about it. I can still have a muslim as a friend however I don't feel
good to see how the Islamic religon is misused by some of its own users.
> Salama

regards from Erling.
Denmark

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"salama" <nospam@nospam.aaa> skrev i en meddelelse
news:20060207155307.875$ET@newsreader.com

> This is my last message here

Ah, you're just a troll...

> No need to put
> fuel in the fire because some people wanted some humor.

This has nothing to do with humor, stupid. People are dying and buildings
are burning. Where's the fun in that?

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salama wrote:
> Erling <e.virker@ikek.com> wrote:
-snip-

> Like I said, depecting the prophet like that was very insulting. It conveys
> the idea that the prophet preached the killing of people. Just because
> some Islamic terrorsists kill people, now the whole religion is to blame.

Well, if the prophet Mohammed didn't do it why is there always problems
with muslims then?

>>Maybe there is some undertones in the Mohammed Cartoons, because most
>>terrorists in the world is using Islam-religion as the reason to murder
>>innocent people and destroyimg for instance WTC.
>
>
> So where people who didn't like the US. Those are not people targetting
> Christians because they are Christians. Understand that religion in the
> middle east is a strong belief. When some terrorists do acts in the name of
> Islam, they
> can get support easily. If they say they do it because they don't like the
> US, they will get less support. Now many people in the world think Islam
> is th enemy.

Islam *IS* the enemy when muslims don't respect freedom of speech.

>>How do you think when you see the cartoon Muhammed with a bomb in his
>>turban?
>>I think: yes it is an evil religion!! and you cannot blame me for
>>thinking that.
>
>
> I don't why you think it's evil. See above.

Because islam is a religion with too many terrorists. It just shows that
islam is not a peaceful religion.

>>I think I have commented this above.
>>But as I can see, the things which has happened until now, is
>>frustration from the muslims living in that part of the world,
>>because they are suppressed by their government and they cannot do
>>anything about it.
>>And now they suddenly have something they can protest against without
>>any intervention from the autorities.
>>Many of those muslim inhabitants don't even know where or who Denmark is
>>- some believe it is a town in Sweden. But when somebody ask them to
>>come and demonstrate - they do it with happiness.
>>Many the the people there are also illitterates and not educated, so
>>they can't hardly read, much less understand our humour. Again misplaced.
>
>
> Like I said, there are millions of topics to find humor in. There's no
> reason to provoke and intimidate people who are themselves suffering.

We're not provoking you. You're just too primitive to understand humor
and accept humor.

>>>Many Christians kill other people.
>>
>>Have you any proof on that?
>
>
> Most Arabs think the US hates muslims. They see the US bombing tens of
> thousands of innocent civilians in Iraq and afghanistan. Maybe they think
> Christianty is evil?

How many american terrorists have you ever heard about? I didn't hear
about any. But I can look in almost any newspaper and read about muslim
terrorists who in the name of islam wants to kill innocent people. Just
look at Iraq.

>> I bet Christians will not be too
>>
>>>thrilled to see cartoons of Jesus Christ carrying a machine gun
>>>shooting. Is it the fault of Jesus that some Christians kill people?
>>>
>>
>>We have 10 rules in the bible.
>>Number 5: You must NOT kill.
>>
>>So I guess that Muslims do kill also.
>>It not a religious problem, but a human.
>>
>>
>>>Now muslim countries are boycotting Danish products and the Danes are
>>>screaming of foul play. Companies are losing a lot of money and
>>>starting to lay off workers. Guess what? The muslims are expressing
>>>their opinions about the Danes and poeple who support them. That's the
>>>muslims way of free of expression.. fair game?
>>
>>Yes it is fair game to boycut Danish products if you don't like them,
>>but you still cannot blame the Danish companies for the cartoons, so
>>it is STILL misplaced.
>
>
> It goes both ways. The world blames the muslims when a few kill and the

A few kill? Ahem... After this: Terrorists = muslims.

> muslims blame Denmark for the Danish cartoons. How do you expect to react.

Not by burning down embassies.

> Travel to Denmark and demonstrate infront of the paper hq? People balme the
> entity that caused the problem. Now a few other papers in the EU
> republished the cartoons. It makes the middle east think the Europeans
> share the same belief.

They also do. Islam is full of bullshit and causing the whole world a
lot of trouble, including a lot of deaths on innocent people. Just watch
cnn or bbc or something to find out.

>>Think also about those billions of money the muslim country will loose
>>now, because nobody from Europe (I hope) want to make any wacation
>>at your places. But in this way the things are working - if you are
>>treating people with violence and murder, we are not coming freely.
>>The onliest thing you will get as an result of burning the Danish flag,
>>and burning the Consulates is, that we are believing more and more, is,
>> that Islam is an evil and NOT understanding religion. It has only one
>>purpose: To suppress freedom of women and all steps forward to follow
>>the time in our world.
>
>
>
> Those people are opressed by their governments so they are releasing their
> anger. I am not saying I approve of what they are doing. The whole
> situation is a big mess.

You see: Islam is the root of all evil.

> This is my last message here so I finally want to say is that some people
> should not take their freedom of expression too far. There's enough
> violence in the world for different reasons. No need to put fuel in the
> fire because some people wanted some humor.

We don't put fuel in the fire. Islamists do. Muslim terrorists do. We
just express ourselves because we have the right to do so and no muslim
idiot should tell us that we don't have the right to carricate Mohammed
the prophet like we want to.

I don't understand why muslims don't know the difference between their
own country and our country....


Med venlig hilsen / Best regards
Martin Jørgensen

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salama wrote:
> Like I said, depecting the prophet like that was very insulting. It conveys
> the idea that the prophet preached the killing of people. Just because
> some Islamic terrorsists kill people, now the whole religion is to blame.

I think you are right, and you know you are right, so basically 'you'
could just turn over to the next page in the news paper and have a happy
day... OR write a letter explaining your viewpoint OR go to Court.

But that was not what happend, and this is the core of the problem.

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On 07 Feb 2006 20:50:34 GMT, nospam@nospam.aaa (salama) wrote:

>This is my last message here

....and thereby elegantly withdrawing without answering some of the
very direct questions we have asked You.

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On 07 Feb 2006 20:50:34 GMT, in dk.politik nospam@nospam.aaa (salama)
wrote:

>So why not concentrate this hate against Islamic extrimists instead of
>making every muslim an enemy and blaming their religion

Why do YOU not direct your anger at muslim extremists, who sullies
your religion and prophet when they murder innocent people?

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salama wrote:
-snip-

> When you play with fire, you might get burnt.

So you're saying that the cartoon with the prophet having a bomb in his
turban shows a good picture of what muslims stand for. I totally agree!

I just say: Get the fuck out of here, your braindead pig. We don't like
terrorists in our free world. Kill your own people - not ours.


Med venlig hilsen / Best regards
Martin Jørgensen

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Martin_Jørgensen <unoder.spam@spam.jay.net> wrote:
> salama wrote:
> -snip-
>
> > When you play with fire, you might get burnt.
>
> So you're saying that the cartoon with the prophet having a bomb in his
> turban shows a good picture of what muslims stand for. I totally agree!

Don't confuse yourself with muslims and extrimists. They are danish rapists
out there. Hopefully not all Danes are Rapists.


>
> I just say: Get the fuck out of here, your braindead pig. We don't like
> terrorists in our free world. Kill your own people - not ours.

Ignorant people like you lose it quickly.



Salama

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salama skrev:
> [I hope some people here understand English. I would like to express my
> opinion]
>
> It seems many Danes and a lot of other European citizens are confused
> between freedom of speech/expression and freedom to lie and insult other
> cultures and religions.
>
> These people are ignorant to what is insulting and blasphemous.

Towards muslims, I guess?

It's absurd to hear about people - who otherwise openly applauds terror
acts and thus massmurders on innocent non-muslim civilians - who
honestly claim to get upset over a bunch of cartoons depicting their
socalled "holy prophet".

> As a
> Muslim, I am offended by those cartoons and more by the support these
> people are giving.

Sure you are.

I can tell you that I am VERY offended by some very nasty murders
committed by fanatical muslims against non-muslims all over the world,
and by the support other muslims are obviously giving them, so what is
it exactly, your socalled "problem" is supposed to be?

> In Islam, you can't depict the prophet is any way or
> form even in a respecful way. Yet these cartoonist and newspapers editors
> are totally ignorant, irresponsible or plain do not care of the
> consequences.

Oh, the infamous "now look what you made me do to you by not doing as I
ordered you to!"-psychopath logic known from movie villains?

> These people ask "what's the big deal". May be Christians can
> depect Jesus in drawings, cartoons, make fun of him, slander him or
> whatever, but that doesn't give them the right to do the same to another
> religion.

Oh yes it does!

I'm not a muslim. I neither can, nor will I respect or even accept a
religion headed by a supposed "religious" man proscribing murder on
everybody who does not cast themselves flat on their faces for his
supposed, self-acclaimed "divine revelation"-megalomania.

The very problem is the arrogant islamo-fascist notion you put forth
here that EVERYBODY - even non-moslems! - should obey Islamic laws and
rules of conduct unilatterally: We've had our share of wars against
totalitarian fascists here during the last century, but obviously it
seems like we have fight - at least intellectually - for these freedoms
once again if we're not to become dhimmis (I suppose you know that
expression as a "good muslim"?) in our own European contries!

> This just shows total ignorance of these people.
>
> Many Christians kill other people. I bet Christians will not be too
> thrilled to see cartoons of Jesus Christ carrying a machine gun shooting.
> Is it the fault of Jesus that some Christians kill people?

No, but clearly your "beloved prophet" directly ordered his followers to
kill everybody who will not accept him.

Read some quotations here on: www.prophetofdoom.net (left side of the page)

And THAT is supposedly what you arrogantly demand me to unilatterally
"respect" as "holy", thus denying my very right to criticize it opnely?

Then you have obviously got to be out of your mind!

> Now muslim countries are boycotting Danish products and the Danes are
> screaming of foul play. Companies are losing a lot of money and starting to
> lay off workers. Guess what? The muslims are expressing their opinions
> about the Danes and poeple who support them. That's the muslims way of free
> of expression.. fair game? Next time think twice before making a stupid
> move that specially when you livelihood depends on it.

We have absolutely nothing to fear economically: Our export to the Arab
world is less than 5 % of our total export (which is btw growing by 10%
a year!). I think we just might be able to uphold our free society
without your money, thanks!

The real problem, however, is that we can only wait for some
islamo-fascist retards to commit terror against innocent Danish
civilians, trying to deny us our constitutionally rooted secular
freedoms. And when that happens, it surely will get tough for the
muslims in Denmark.

> When you play with fire, you might get burnt.

Oh, should I consider that a threat? Well, knowing your religion's sick
appetite for murder of innocent civilians and it's articulated hate of
everything else than itself, I might just as well, I guess.

It's just plain sad that you guys are so Godforsaken primitive that you
can't seperate between your own private religious convictions and public
secular rights to criticize religion in the public domain...

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On 07 Feb 2006 17:42:36 GMT, nospam@nospam.aaa (salama) wrote:

>It seems many Danes and a lot of other European citizens are confused
>between freedom of speech/expression and freedom to lie and insult other
>cultures and religions.

No confusion on this part, maybe you are a bit confused yourself?

> In Islam, you can't depict the prophet is any way or
> form even in a respecful way.

Hmm, why do we not see you making a stand against other pictures of
the dear prophet?? eg. the one being in the American supreme court,
the one used in the south park series, etc, etc?? could it be that you
are taking your own misery out on us in little Denmark (and Norway)??
thinking that we are a much easier target than other places??? well
rest assure that we are not an easy target, we have friends in high
places, and as a nation we'll never bow down to tyrannies..

> Yet these cartoonist and newspapers editors are totally ignorant, irresponsible
> or plain do not care of the consequences.

You are totally ignorant, and yes, we know about the consequences of
not having a free speech, we'd end up in the same misery as you
people, and we for sure do not want that...

> but that doesn't give them the right to do the same to another
>religion. This just shows total ignorance of these people.

Hmm, you have the internet, look at the anti jew cartoons published by
the muslim state controlled medias.....

>Many Christians kill other people. I bet Christians will not be too
>thrilled to see cartoons of Jesus Christ carrying a machine gun shooting.
>Is it the fault of Jesus that some Christians kill people?

Lol, that would be tame in comparison to what we have already seen...


>Now muslim countries are boycotting Danish products and the Danes are
>screaming of foul play. Companies are losing a lot of money and starting to
>lay off workers.

again, lol, the companies loosing money are for the most part
extremely wealthy anyway and do not need the money... yes, workers
might get fired here, but we have a good social system, it's going to
look much, much worse for the workers who get fired in the Muslim
world...

> that specially when you livelihood depends on it.

You are mistaken our livhood does not depend on it... on the other
hand 250 000 starving people in Chechnya and a 100 000 starving in
Sudan might thank the great muslim leaders for stopping the
danish/Norvigan aid to those areas... really if they want their people
to die because muslim pride, it says a lot about their mentality....

>When you play with fire, you might get burnt.

you are right, we have seen it on tv the middle east is burning and
you are killing your own people, so you for sure are playing with
fire... be careful not to wed the bed, it always get unpleasant very
fast...

go in peace, and do try to become a better and more peaceful person,
--
Flemming

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First, thanks for joining this debate Salama.

But I'm sorry to say that YOU don't understand freedom of speech.

It is exactly what is says: Each individual person has the right to say
or express what he/she thinks/believe or feels. And there are no
guarantee that you or I would like what has been said, it may be wrong,
it may be correct, it may be insulting or just plain dumb, and at the
same time there may be people with each of those views on what has been
said. No moral police or complex set of laws should control what one can
write or say.

My point is that we ALL from time to time read or see something we don't
like, this is not just a Muslim issue.

But I accept and respect other peoples right to have a different opinion
than me, even if they say the way I live is stupid or ridiculous. I
don't have to agree with them, and I may be offended, but once and a
while I actually learn something from people with a different opinion
than me.

There are not just one truth out there Salama.

Best Regards
Flemming K



salama wrote:
> [I hope some people here understand English. I would like to express my
> opinion]
>
> It seems many Danes and a lot of other European citizens are confused
> between freedom of speech/expression and freedom to lie and insult other
> cultures and religions.
>
> These people are ignorant to what is insulting and blasphemous. As a
> Muslim, I am offended by those cartoons and more by the support these
> people are giving. In Islam, you can't depict the prophet is any way or
> form even in a respecful way. Yet these cartoonist and newspapers editors
> are totally ignorant, irresponsible or plain do not care of the
> consequences. These people ask "what's the big deal". May be Christians can
> depect Jesus in drawings, cartoons, make fun of him, slander him or
> whatever, but that doesn't give them the right to do the same to another
> religion. This just shows total ignorance of these people.
>
> Many Christians kill other people. I bet Christians will not be too
> thrilled to see cartoons of Jesus Christ carrying a machine gun shooting.
> Is it the fault of Jesus that some Christians kill people?
>
> Now muslim countries are boycotting Danish products and the Danes are
> screaming of foul play. Companies are losing a lot of money and starting to
> lay off workers. Guess what? The muslims are expressing their opinions
> about the Danes and poeple who support them. That's the muslims way of free
> of expression.. fair game? Next time think twice before making a stupid
> move that specially when you livelihood depends on it.
>
> When you play with fire, you might get burnt.
>
> Salama

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salama wrote:

To save time, I answer several posts:

> > >I don't approve of any killings or destruction but the muslims have the
> > >right to express their anger and they have the right to boycott whatever
> > >they like. You want an apology for what exactly?

For burning down diplomatic representations to start with, in
particular from the Syrian govenment which was involved.

I have no problem with people boycotting Danish goods (even if
punishing a dairy company for what a newspaper did is stretching my
logic), and they can even burn our flag, even if I do not agree it is a
proper thing to do. I even think it is blasphemous as it contains a
cross, but I do not get worked up about blasphemy.

> I guess because most Danish people support what the paper did? Do you want
> to tell me that most of the Danish are not happy with that paper? What are
> the discussions in this group about.. support for the paper or support for
> Arab opinions. Come on.
>
I do not know if most Danes supported what the paper did, but most
support the papers right to do it if you get the difference. With free
speach, you risk offending others. Some passages of the koran (or is it
Haddit?) are quite offensive to Christians, jews, homosexuals, women...

The basic questions the paper wanted to discuss was: Have Danes been
scared of critizising (extremist) islam? Who's standards determines
what can and cannot be published in Denmark?

I find those are very relevant questions and important to discuss, but
(with hindsight) the resulting drawings were probably stronger than
what was needed. If say, the 2 most offending cartoons had not been in,
far fewer people had been offended.

> Depecting the prophet Mohammad is a very very sensitive issue. The muslims
> themsleves do not do it AT ALL. NOT EVEN in a RESPECTFUL manner. As long as
> non muslims do not understand this fact and trivialize the issue, hostility
> will always be there.

To my best knowlegde, that is not completely true. The Shi'ite
traditions allow this (the newspaper editor deciding the publishing had
been living in Iran, that may explain something), and as far as I know
you can find depictions of him in Turkey too. You may have to limit
yourself to Arab Sunnis here.

> Why is it so hard for you to respect other people and hide behind "freedom
> of expression". You can joke all you want about your queen.
>
What some muslims have failed to realise is how big an issue free
speach is in the Western World. Iordano Bruno was burned for speaking
his mind, and as late as the 80es people were jailed in Eastern Europe
for critisising governments. If you read up on the reformation and all
the wars that followed, perhaps you will get an idea. The Christian
reformation was about following your conscience instead of the Pope's
words, money then lined up after :-/

Many Danes have very little patience with other customs than their own
these days, and they are very quick to tell how you "ought to do"
things. (I know it, my wife is not Danish). This I think is a bad
habit, at least as long as it concerns issues that does not directly
affect themselves. But freedom of speach is affecting everyone living
here, and everyone living here also have those rights. Including
extreme muslims (you do not seem one) who want Denmark to become part
of the Caliphate.

I hope this explains a bit.

Regards

Martin

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"salama" <nospam@nospam.aaa> skrev i en meddelelse
news:20060207124507.281$8V@newsreader.com...
> [I hope some people here understand English. I would like to express my
> opinion]
>
> It seems many Danes and a lot of other European citizens are confused
> between freedom of speech/expression and freedom to lie and insult other
> cultures and religions.

We are not confused. We have thought about what is important and what is
not. If one choose to stay in Denmark insult is what one could get. My kind
of view on Christianity do not allow dance or music but I had to live with
in when I did go in the Danish public school. I was part of a minority and
it was of course me who must accept the other Danes way. It was not me who
should dictate others to live as I do live.

I can not be offended when other Danes goes to disco. It is their choise to
worship the devil. Dance and music means introduction of drugs and death and
it is quite common in Denmark. But it is their choice and I accept it.

> These people are ignorant to what is insulting and blasphemous. As a
> Muslim, I am offended by those cartoons and more by the support these
> people are giving. In Islam, you can't depict the prophet is any way or
> form even in a respecful way. Yet these cartoonist and newspapers editors
> are totally ignorant, irresponsible or plain do not care of the
> consequences. These people ask "what's the big deal". May be Christians
can
> depect Jesus in drawings, cartoons, make fun of him, slander him or
> whatever, but that doesn't give them the right to do the same to another
> religion. This just shows total ignorance of these people.

I do not care about which person living or dead which is being slandered. It
is a free country and anybody can take the publisher to court if they think
that someone is overstepping the line. In the case of the Muhammad drawing
none even your fellow believers have taken this action. Did they actually
believe that is war slander? Why is it easier to burn down buildings in
several countries than taking it to court upfront?

> Many Christians kill other people. I bet Christians will not be too
> thrilled to see cartoons of Jesus Christ carrying a machine gun shooting.
> Is it the fault of Jesus that some Christians kill people?

No. I can fully accept killings if it creates profit for us. Faith should
not decide it countries should go to war. Economy should. Just look a Iraq.
None would care about whether Mr. Hussain is a nice guy or not if they did
not have oil as an excuse. That is why Mr. Mugabe still rules in Rhodesia.

> Now muslim countries are boycotting Danish products and the Danes are
> screaming of foul play. Companies are losing a lot of money and starting
to
> lay off workers. Guess what? The muslims are expressing their opinions
> about the Danes and poeple who support them. That's the muslims way of
free
> of expression.. fair game? Next time think twice before making a stupid
> move that specially when you livelihood depends on it.

Just boycott if you can not deal professional. I often buy good at several
places where I do not like the people I do business with. But when their
goods are cheap I do not care other things like mistreating of animals or
employees. "Money do not smell" as we say it in Denmark.

> When you play with fire, you might get burnt.

We have not even startet.

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Regards
Carsten Overgaard
http://www.center-validering.dk/aboutdenmark.htm