"Anders Peter Johnsen" <anderspj@REMOVE_THISwebspeed.dk> wrote in message
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> Frithiof Andreas Jensen wrote:
>> "G B" <nonono@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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>>>Det er da rart at se, at nogle muslimer gør sig mange tanker om ting og
>>>sager - og som ovenstående muslim åbenlyst har sympati for sit værtsland
>>>og dets oprindelige beboere.
>>
>>
>> Også i IRAN - af alle underlige steder - gøres der tanker over at den
>> Islamiske stat ikke representerer Islam. Og at en Islamisk stat måske
>> Ødelægger Islam med sit dårlige eksempel.
>>
>> Hvis USA kan holde nallerne væk er der en god chance for at Iran bliver
>> det
>> første Islamiske demokrati
>
> Det er vist en selvmodsigelse der vil noget, når man tænker på hvordan
> fundamentalistmuslimer betragter demokrati.
>
> Det turde da være selvklart åbenlyst for enhver, at den i Islam indbyggede
> Sharialovgivning netop ikke på nogen måde er demokratisk, da den i selve
> udgangspunktet for det første er et religiøst regelsæt, som skelner
> kraftigt mellem mænds og kvinders restlige status, ligesom den skelner
> mellem muslimers og ikke-muslimers status.
>
> Dertil må man altså lære at abstrahere fra sin egen vestlige
> sækulariserede kultur, når vi snakker om Islamisme: Islamismens
> hovedformål er jo NETOP at HELE samfundet ALENE skal styres af Islams
> forskrifter og ikke noget som helst andet, herunder sækulær politik, der
> jo nærmest betragtes som "djævelens værk" i opposition til "den rene
> Islam".
Man kan sige at man ikke kan have noget der hedder "islamisk demokrati", men
man kan godt forestille sig noget man kan kalde "muslimsk demokrati", hvor
islam bare vil være dem dominerende religion, men anerkender andre
trosretninger.
I England er der lige nu en kamp mellem muslimer om valget den 5. maj, der
er nogle små grupper som hævder at det er "kufr akhbar" mega-frafald fra
islam og den direkte vej til helvede at stemme, og som gruppen
"Frelsersekten" skriver så vil alle ens gode gerninger blive frataget en
hvis man stemmer til valget, og man ryger lige i den sorte gryde.
Men langt de flest muslimer - 60% - stemmer alligevel.
Forøvrigt lidt sjovt at politikeren Galloway, som blev smidt ud af Labour
for at opfordre til drab på britiske tropper i Irak, har fået ørerne i
maskinen hos de anti-demokratiske grupper.
Han har startet noget der ligner "Minoritetspartiet" "The Respect Party", og
den største muslimske gruppe i England opfordrer muslimer til at stemme på
ham.
Men da han var ude og hverve stemmer blev han pludselig overfaldet at en
gruppe anti-demokrati muslimer.
Læs selv om sagen her:
FrontPageMagazine.com | April 26, 2005
As ye sow, shall ye reap. George Galloway is a far-Left former Labour
member of the British Parliament, who was expelled from the Labour
Party 18 months ago for reportedly urging Arab armies in Iraq to
attack British troops. Now the Islamists he has long courted are
threatening Galloway.
An enthusiast for Saddam Hussein, Galloway once flew to Baghdad and
told the doubtless gratified dictator, "Sir, I salute your courage,
strength and indefatigability." He has continued in this enlightened
vein, vouchsafing that Saddam's foreign minister, Tariq Aziz, was a
"political prisoner" who should be released.
Having been thrown out of the Labour Party, Galloway founded a new
political group called "Respect," which is dominated by the Socialist
Workers Party, which ran the antiwar movement in Britain. The SWP has
gotten into bed with radical Islam, notably the Muslim Association of
Britain, which is effectively the British wing of the Muslim
Brotherhood.
Galloway has ridden this motley coalition straight into the current
British general election campaign, seeking to harness the monumentally
disaffected Muslim vote to give his old party a bloody nose. Under
Respect's banner, he is fighting the parliamentary seat of Bethnal
Green and Bow, in the heart of London's East End. This run-down area
has always played host to immigrants. It was where many Jews settled
when they arrived in London early in the 20th century. Now, more than
half of its electors are Muslim. And they are furious with Tony Blair
over the war in Iraq.
This has placed at risk the parliamentary career of the sitting MP,
Oona King, who has earned the undying enmity of her Muslim
constituents by supporting the war. King herself, however, would
appear to have something in common with her tormentors: Despite being
half-Jewish and half-black, she once infamously compared the
Palestinians in Gaza to the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto. Bigotry, it
seems, can make common cause between enemies, at least when the Jews
are their common target.
King's Muslim opponents seem to take the view that "my enemy's enemy
is my enemy." Such are the fratricidal and conflicting emotions that
flourish along the axis between the Left and radical Islam. The
contest in Bethnal Green and Bow now lies between the unspeakable and
the unelectable.
Recently, there was a remembrance ceremony in the area to commemorate
the deaths of 134 people in one block of flats - of whom the vast
majority were Jews - in the last V2 missile attack of the Second World
War. Young Muslims threw vegetables and eggs at those attending the
ceremony, including King. These detractors subsequently expressed
violent prejudice towards the Jews mourning their war dead.
Since then, King has had more eggs thrown at her and has had her tires
slashed. The situation has been growing increasingly dangerous, with
fears being expressed that someone might get killed.
And much of the blame is being pinned on George Galloway. King has
claimed members of Respect had told local Muslims not to vote for her,
because she is Jewish. Respect vehemently denied this claim and
promptly threatened to sue her for libel, claiming it had "a long
history of fighting anti-Semitism" - which, given its association with
the Hamas-supporters of the MAB, was certainly an original boast.
Apart from the disputed issue of King's abused ethnicity, there can be
little doubt that Galloway has indeed contributed to the increasingly
ugly climate in Bethnal Green and Bow. Telling Muslims that Tony Blair
was waging war on their community has whipped some of the most
dangerously unstable and paranoid young men in the country into a
frenzy.
And having done so, he then found to his outrage that they turned
their violent rage upon him. Recently, he was forced to flee for his
life from some of these very same Islamists, who threatened to string
him up as a false prophet. While he was electioneering in the
constituency, a gang of 30 fanatics, who claim voting is un-Islamic,
surrounded him and his supporters. They said they were angry at his
attempt to woo Muslim voters; that they were "setting up the gallows"
for Galloway; and that any Muslim who voted for his party would face a
"sentence of death." After a fight broke out between the two groups,
Galloway was forced to hide in his car in a back alley until the
violence calmed down.
But his problems did not end there. The upstanding democrats of the
militant group Hizb-ut-Tahrir, who demonstrate their commitment to
moderation through their attempts to turn Great Britain into an
Islamic state, declared they would sue the car-cowering politician for
libel for accusing them of having instigated the attack. The Islamists
said: "Hizb ut-Tahrir Britain is an Islamic intellectual and political
entity that seeks to change people's thoughts solely through
intelligent discussion and debate" - a claim nearly as reassuring as
Respect's "long history of fighting anti-Semitism." It is thought that
the attack was carried out, not by Hizb ut-Tahrir, but by a group
called the "Saviour Sect," which only a few hours before had disrupted
a meeting in London's Central Mosque called by the mainstream Muslim
Council of Britain, and levelled charges of apostasy against the
Muslim Council of Britain for urging Muslims to vote.
"Gorgeous" George Galloway has not taken all this in the collegiate
spirit in which it was clearly intended. He is said to have been badly
shaken and very worried by the fact the people in whom he has done so
much to foment violent and irrational hatred have now turned that
hatred upon him.
So shaken is he that within 24 hours he was saying to Ms. King how
sorry he was for what had happened to her. For her part, she said that
although they disagreed about many things, they didn't want to be
violent towards each other. To this touching rapprochement, the mob on
the hustings booed.
It couldn't have happened to a nicer pair. The simple lesson for
George Galloway and other appeasenik politicians is: there's no
appeasing bigotry once that beast is roused. What this event means for
the future of once-gentle, tolerant, democratic Britain is quite
another matter.
..................................
Andre grupper mod demokrati:
In co-operation with:
Islamic Council of Britain (ICB)
Followers of Ahl Al Sunnah Wal Jama'ah
TheSaviourSect.org.uk
Ad-Dawah Publications
Anti-election campaign group
Men der er en langt længere liste over folk de har udråbt som frafaldne, -
selv en gruppe som dem der kører islamonline mener de er destinerede for
Allahs evige ild i helvede.