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Af Caroline Glick, april 2005, Jpost.

Tuesday the 2004 Arab Human Development Report was released by the UN
Development Project. The report placed a large chunk of the blame for the
Arab world's lack of economic progress and political freedom on Israel's
creation in 1948 and US support for Israel's continued existence, as well as
the US military presence in Iraq.

The report's conclusions about Israel and the US were immediately rejected
by the US and Israel. Greg Sullivan, the spokesman for the US State
Department's Near Eastern Bureau said, "We think it's misguided to blame
Israel for the problems and the challenges that the Arab world faces."

Mark Regev, the Foreign Ministry spokesman, was equally blunt, "For too long
too many people in the Arab world have used Israel as an excuse to justify
behavior that cannot be justified. You can't have democratic elections
because of Israel and you can't give equal rights to women in Saudi Arabia
because of Israel. This is of course a cop out."

The American and Israeli denunciations of the report were, of course, wholly
reasonable. The notion that 300 million Arabs live under the jackboot
because some 5 million Jews in Israel live in freedom and America supports
our right to live in freedom is patently insane. So too, it is simply
delusional to believe that 300 million Arabs are so bent out of shape by the
fact that 2.3 million Palestinian Arabs purportedly have their freedoms
curbed by Israel, that they willingly accept their regimes' right to enslave
and impoverish them economically and spiritually.

Yet the greatest irony that is brought to the surface by the UNDP report is
that in spite of both the American and Israeli governments' ability to
differentiate between spit and raindrops, in point of fact, both Israel and
the US are basing their policies towards the Palestinians specifically and
the Arab world generally on an internalization of the UNDP's ridiculous
claims.

How does this manifest itself?

The view among American policymakers and Israeli Foreign Ministry types,
both egged on by their ideological bedfellows in Europe and the
international Left is based on two presumptions. The first is that the
Palestinian conflict with Israel is the cause of the Arab conflict with
Israel. The second is that the Palestinians are weak and the Israelis are
strong and that the way to solve the conflict is to strengthen the
Palestinians and weaken Israel.

The second presumption is what leads both Israeli and American foreign
policy elites to advocate Israeli surrender of land and rights to the
Palestinians and to support Palestinian acquisition of arms, money and
sovereignty.

It was the concerted pan-Arab attack on the economies of Western Europe in
1973, not Israel's acquisition of territory in 1967 that caused Europe to
embrace the cause of the Palestinians. And it is the power that immigrant
voters and activists wield against the European electorate and the threat of
violence wielded by Arab terrorists that ensure that year in and year out
regardless of the brutality of Arab rhetoric and violence, the Europeans
remain faithful to the ideology of Israeli criminality and Palestinian
victimhood.

Israeli and American policymakers alike have repeatedly claimed that by
strengthening PA leader Mahmoud Abbas, he will gain legitimacy among the
Palestinians to move ahead with peace with Israel. They also claim that in
the aftermath of Israel's planned removal of its forces and expulsion of its
citizenry from northern Samaria and Gaza this summer, the PA will be
strengthened and that as a result, chances for peace will be increased.

Yet again, the facts on the ground belie this view. At the end of the
summer, oil prices will no doubt be edging towards $60 a barrel. Egypt will
have two armored brigades sitting in the Sinai Peninsula. Israel, smarting
from its self-inflicted wounds and bearing an extraordinary financial,
political and social burden of resettling thousands of Israeli refugees,
will be weaker and therefore less able to mount the will and the ability to
fend off terror assaults. Finally, there is no reason to assume that Abbas,
who has devoted most of his time since replacing Arafat to coddling
terrorists and currying favor with their state sponsors, will be in any rush
to improve the economic situation in the Palestinian areas. Indeed, again,
advancing their economic and political fortunes is actually antithetical to
the interests of the PLO and the Arab world.

Given the fact that the America and Israeli governments are both basing
their policies on the same false presumptions that formed the basis of the
UNDP report they were so quick to reject, perhaps the real question is why
did it bother them so much? And the second question is, if they are still
able to tell the difference between spit and raindrops, when will they adopt
policies that reflect the distinction?

The first presumption is what leads both Israel and the US to ignore the
direct dependence of the Palestinian conflict with Israel on outside support
by Arab League member states led by Egypt. Egypt, like the rest of the Arab
world has never accepted Israel's inherent right to exist as a Jewish state
in the Levant. Yet over the years, the rhetorical focus shifted from overt
calls for Israel's destruction through war to overt calls for Israel's
destruction through the establishment of a Palestinian state and unlimited
immigration of millions of foreign born Arabs to Israel. These calls are
obfuscated to a degree by a public fixation on the perceived weakness and
actual misery of the 2.3 million Palestinians in Judea, Samaria and Gaza -
both of which are blamed on Israel.

Yet the reality on the ground is vastly different from the picture painted
by UN reports whose basic presumptions, though wrong, form the foundations
of US and Israeli policy in the region. The squalor in which Palestinians
reside is wholly premeditated. As far back as 1949, the Arab League decided
that no member state would grant citizenship to the Arabs who left the Land
of Israel as a result of the Arab invasion of the nascent Jewish state. And
so these miserable people and their children and grandchildren have been
incarcerated in the squalor of UN internment camps for nearly 60 years. When
in the early 1980s then prime minister Menachem Begin tried to dismantle the
camps in Gaza and Judea and Samaria and provide permanent and decent housing
for their residents, the "refugees" were warned, on pain of death, by the
pan-Arab and PLO leadership to reject Israel's offers.

The reason for this was clear: If the Palestinians had been allowed to
freely develop, a core myth - that Jewish sovereignty is tainted with an
original sin - a myth which was created to justify the continued Arab
rejection of Israel, would disappear. And so it remains the case that
despite the fact that in the last ten years the Palestinian Authority has
received more international aid per capita than any national authority in
the history of international aid, the Palestinians today remain in abject
poverty. More to the point, their standard of living went into freefall
shortly after the PA was established in 1994. Yasser Arafat and his deputies
thwarted development efforts by stealing the billions they were given.

That the rejection of Israel still forms a solid basis for Arab and Islamic
unity was again made clear in a conference this week in Malaysia devoted to
"Peace in Palestine." The conference gave itself a psychological warfare
boost by inviting five anti-Israel Israeli and Jewish activists to
participate in the proceedings. Led by Malaysia's Prime Minister Abdullah
Ahmad Badawi the participants called for an international "anti-Israeli
apartheid" campaign demanding a total international boycott on Israel until
a Palestinian state is established with Jerusalem as its capital and Israel
becomes a non-Jewish state as a result of unlimited Arab immigration. The
fact that the Arab and Muslim, (and Jewish) participants expressed views
that were even more extreme than the rhetoric emanating from the PA is
indicative of the source of the continued pressure for the indefinite
prolongation of the Palestinian conflict with Israel.

Let us return now to the presumptions that form the basis of American and
Israeli policy towards the Palestinians specifically and the Arab world
generally. We see that by internalizing the view that the Palestinian
conflict is the source of the Arab conflict with Israel and that the way to
solve the Palestinian conflict is to empower the Palestinians at Israel's
expense, both Israel and the US are initiating policies that distance rather
than advance their stated goals of peace and security through the
democratization of Palestinian society and the Arab world writ large. This
is so because the guiding presumptions themselves are not simply wrong, but
are the polar opposites of the facts on the ground.

These facts are that the Palestinian conflict with Israel is largely a
direct result of the Arab world's rejection of Israel's right to exist. And
weakening Israel, by strengthening the Palestinians or in any other manner
advances none of these goals.

Arab strength is based on Arab control of the world's largest oil reserves;
irredentist Arab immigrant communities throughout the Western world and
specifically in Europe that demand their host governments' adopt stridently
anti-Israel foreign policies or face violence and instability at home and in
global oil markets; and Arab Islamic terrorism and militarism which is
financed and engendered in the oil-rich, authoritarian Arab world.

The fact that it is Arab power rather than Palestinian weakness that is
fuelling the conflict is made clear by the EU's Middle East policies. As Bat
Ye'or, the noted scholar of jihad ideology and Arab-European politics makes
crystal clear in her new book Eurabia: The Euro-Arab Axis, Western European
abandonment of its early support for Israel came not in the wake of Israel's
stunning victory in the 1967 Six Day War, but in the aftermath of the OPEC
oil embargo in 1973.

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Joakim von And wrote:
> Af Caroline Glick, april 2005, Jpost.
>
> Tuesday the 2004 Arab Human Development Report was released by the UN
> Development Project. The report placed a large chunk of the blame for
> the Arab world's lack of economic progress and political freedom on
> Israel's creation in 1948 and US support for Israel's continued
> existence, as well as the US military presence in Iraq.
>
> The report's conclusions about Israel and the US were immediately
> rejected by the US and Israel.

Stor overraskelse.

> Greg Sullivan, the spokesman for the
> US State Department's Near Eastern Bureau said, "We think it's
> misguided to blame Israel for the problems and the challenges that
> the Arab world faces."

Det gør rapporten jo heller ikke. Kun for nogen af dem. Og det ville da
være besynderligt, hvis ikke rapporten tog de problemstillinger med, som
oprettelsen af den zionistiske stat har medført.

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"Henrik Svendsen" <HrSvendsen@msn.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:425a6a70$0$161$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk...
> Joakim von And wrote:
> > Af Caroline Glick, april 2005, Jpost.
> >
> > Tuesday the 2004 Arab Human Development Report was released by the UN
> > Development Project. The report placed a large chunk of the blame for
> > the Arab world's lack of economic progress and political freedom on
> > Israel's creation in 1948 and US support for Israel's continued
> > existence, as well as the US military presence in Iraq.
> >
> > The report's conclusions about Israel and the US were immediately
> > rejected by the US and Israel.
>
> Stor overraskelse.
>
> > Greg Sullivan, the spokesman for the
> > US State Department's Near Eastern Bureau said, "We think it's
> > misguided to blame Israel for the problems and the challenges that
> > the Arab world faces."
>
> Det gør rapporten jo heller ikke. Kun for nogen af dem.

Altså Henrik, dine helgarderinger må du godt reservere til tips og lotto.
Det er uden for enhver tvivl at rapporten drager Israel og USA til ansvar
for de arabiske landes interne problemer.

Og det ville da
> være besynderligt, hvis ikke rapporten tog de problemstillinger med, som
> oprettelsen af den zionistiske stat har medført.

Lad mig gætte - du har ikke læst den fremragende omend lange artikel jeg
postede?

Joakim

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Joakim von And wrote:
> "Henrik Svendsen" <HrSvendsen@msn.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:425a6a70$0$161$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk...

>> Det gør rapporten jo heller ikke. Kun for nogen af dem.
>
> Altså Henrik, dine helgarderinger må du godt reservere til tips og
> lotto. Det er uden for enhver tvivl at rapporten drager Israel og USA
> til ansvar for de arabiske landes interne problemer.

Det er udenfor enhver tvivl, at selv denne negative og ensidige omtale
af rapporten klart siger, det kun gælder for nogen af dem.

> Lad mig gætte - du har ikke læst den fremragende omend lange artikel
> jeg postede?

Joda.

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"Henrik Svendsen" <HrSvendsen@msn.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:425a76ef$1$184$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk...
> Joakim von And wrote:
> > "Henrik Svendsen" <HrSvendsen@msn.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> > news:425a6a70$0$161$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk...
>
> >> Det gør rapporten jo heller ikke. Kun for nogen af dem.
> >
> > Altså Henrik, dine helgarderinger må du godt reservere til tips og
> > lotto. Det er uden for enhver tvivl at rapporten drager Israel og USA
> > til ansvar for de arabiske landes interne problemer.
>
> Det er udenfor enhver tvivl, at selv denne negative og ensidige omtale
> af rapporten klart siger, det kun gælder for nogen af dem.

Enten drages man til ansvar eller også gør man ikke.

Endvidere er rapporten udformet så hensigtmæssigt, at det tilkommer den
enkelte at vægte fordelingen af ansvarsplaceringen. Og så ved vi jo inderst
inde godt, hvem der får tildelt den egentlige skurkerolle for hele miseren..

>
> > Lad mig gætte - du har ikke læst den fremragende omend lange artikel
> > jeg postede?
>
> Joda.

Okay, det syntes jeg bare ikke fremgik af dit svar.

Joakim

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Joakim von And wrote:
> "Henrik Svendsen" <HrSvendsen@msn.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:425a76ef$1$184$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk...

>>>> Det gør rapporten jo heller ikke. Kun for nogen af dem.
>>>
>>> Altså Henrik, dine helgarderinger må du godt reservere til tips og
>>> lotto. Det er uden for enhver tvivl at rapporten drager Israel og
>>> USA til ansvar for de arabiske landes interne problemer.
>>
>> Det er udenfor enhver tvivl, at selv denne negative og ensidige
>> omtale af rapporten klart siger, det kun gælder for nogen af dem.
>
> Enten drages man til ansvar eller også gør man ikke.

Det benægter ingen. Og Israel drages til ansvar for noget af miseren.

> Endvidere er rapporten udformet så hensigtmæssigt, at det tilkommer
> den enkelte at vægte fordelingen af ansvarsplaceringen. Og så ved vi
> jo inderst inde godt, hvem der får tildelt den egentlige skurkerolle
> for hele miseren..

Gør vi? Det må så være USA, der kaldes for den store Satan. USA har jo
også blandet sig meget voldsomt i de arabiske lande (ligesom f.eks. i
Mellem og Latinamerika), så det skal nok passe, at USA får en ordentlig
bredside. Helt fortjent.

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"Joakim von And" <ncm_ab@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:425a8132$0$79466$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...
> "Henrik Svendsen" <HrSvendsen@msn.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:425a76ef$1$184$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk...
>> Joakim von And wrote:
>> > "Henrik Svendsen" <HrSvendsen@msn.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>> > news:425a6a70$0$161$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk...
>>
> Endvidere er rapporten udformet så hensigtmæssigt, at det tilkommer den
> enkelte at vægte fordelingen af ansvarsplaceringen. Og så ved vi jo
> inderst
> inde godt, hvem der får tildelt den egentlige skurkerolle for hele
> miseren..
>


Det er da en helgardering, som vil noget og samtidig et eksempel på den
selvimmuniserende offerretorik, der afskærer enhver diskussion.

jodem

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"jodem" <jodem@nypost.dk> skrev i en meddelelse
news:425ab63d$0$223$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk...
>
> "Joakim von And" <ncm_ab@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:425a8132$0$79466$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...
> > "Henrik Svendsen" <HrSvendsen@msn.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> > news:425a76ef$1$184$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk...
> >> Joakim von And wrote:
> >> > "Henrik Svendsen" <HrSvendsen@msn.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> >> > news:425a6a70$0$161$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk...
> >>
> > Endvidere er rapporten udformet så hensigtmæssigt, at det tilkommer den
> > enkelte at vægte fordelingen af ansvarsplaceringen. Og så ved vi jo
> > inderst
> > inde godt, hvem der får tildelt den egentlige skurkerolle for hele
> > miseren..
> >
>
>
> Det er da en helgardering, som vil noget og samtidig et eksempel på den
> selvimmuniserende offerretorik, der afskærer enhver diskussion.

Jeg kan se, at du stadig vender tilbage til myten om den selvudråbte jødiske
offerrolle. Nåh, men indrømmet du har da en valid pointe her, selvfølgelig
alt afhængig af ens referenceramme.

Hvad vigtigere er, kan jeg hermed udlede at du er uenig i journalistens
synspunkter?

Joakim

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"Henrik Svendsen" <HrSvendsen@msn.com> wrote in message
news:425a6a70$0$161$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk...
> Joakim von And wrote:
>> Af Caroline Glick, april 2005, Jpost.
>>
>> Tuesday the 2004 Arab Human Development Report was released by the UN
>> Development Project. The report placed a large chunk of the blame for
>> the Arab world's lack of economic progress and political freedom on
>> Israel's creation in 1948 and US support for Israel's continued
>> existence, as well as the US military presence in Iraq.
>>
>> The report's conclusions about Israel and the US were immediately
>> rejected by the US and Israel.
>
> Stor overraskelse.
>
>> Greg Sullivan, the spokesman for the
>> US State Department's Near Eastern Bureau said, "We think it's
>> misguided to blame Israel for the problems and the challenges that
>> the Arab world faces."
>
> Det gør rapporten jo heller ikke. Kun for nogen af dem. Og det ville da
> være besynderligt, hvis ikke rapporten tog de problemstillinger med, som
> oprettelsen af den zionistiske stat har medført.

Det ender vel snart med, at du kalder Israel "den zionistiske entitet"?




>

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Knud Larsen wrote:

> Det ender vel snart med, at du kalder Israel "den zionistiske
> entitet"?

Det skal jeg gerne gøre, hvis du vil; men hvorfor? "Den zionistiske
stat" er da en udmærket betegnelse for en zionistisk stat.

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"Henrik Svendsen" <HrSvendsen@msn.com> wrote in message
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> Knud Larsen wrote:
>
>> Det ender vel snart med, at du kalder Israel "den zionistiske
>> entitet"?
>
> Det skal jeg gerne gøre, hvis du vil; men hvorfor? "Den zionistiske
> stat" er da en udmærket betegnelse for en zionistisk stat.

Og hvad er der galt med "Israel"? Vi kalder jo heller ikke Danmark for
Danernes stat, eller lignende.

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Knud Larsen wrote:
> "Henrik Svendsen" <HrSvendsen@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:425a7849$0$159$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk...
>> Knud Larsen wrote:
>>
>>> Det ender vel snart med, at du kalder Israel "den zionistiske
>>> entitet"?
>>
>> Det skal jeg gerne gøre, hvis du vil; men hvorfor? "Den zionistiske
>> stat" er da en udmærket betegnelse for en zionistisk stat.
>
> Og hvad er der galt med "Israel"?

Har jeg sagt, der er noget galt med det?

Hvad er der galt med Palæstina eller den zionistiske stat?

> Vi kalder jo heller ikke Danmark for
> Danernes stat, eller lignende.

Jeg har da gentagne gange her og i dpi kaldt Danmark for danernes land.
Danmark betyder jo danernes land. Og Israel er den zionistiske stat.
Sådan er det bare.

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"Joakim von And" <ncm_ab@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:425a495b$0$79459$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...
> Af Caroline Glick, april 2005, Jpost.
>
> Tuesday the 2004 Arab Human Development Report was released by the UN
>

Jeg er uenig i rapporten, som den her fremstilles af C.Glick.

Den arabiske verdens problemer skyldes især manglende politisk og religiøs
modernisering. Dette er så åbenlyst, at det får én til at mistænke Glick
for uhæderlighed eller partiskhed. Anderledes kan det vel ikke være, når man
skriver for Jpost.

Specielt hendes fremstilling af EU's syn på konflikten mellem Palæstina og
Israel er noget forskruet, paranoidt vås.

jodem

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"jodem" <jodem@nypost.dk> wrote in message
news:425b7430$0$206$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk...
>
> "Joakim von And" <ncm_ab@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:425a495b$0$79459$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...
>> Af Caroline Glick, april 2005, Jpost.
>>
>> Tuesday the 2004 Arab Human Development Report was released by the UN
>>
>
> Jeg er uenig i rapporten, som den her fremstilles af C.Glick.
>
> Den arabiske verdens problemer skyldes især manglende politisk og religiøs
> modernisering. Dette er så åbenlyst, at det får én til at mistænke Glick
> for uhæderlighed eller partiskhed. Anderledes kan det vel ikke være, når
> man skriver for Jpost.

Forfatterne beskriver selv arabiske stater som: "black holes", hvor viden
hverken kommer ind eller ud.

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"Knud Larsen" <larsen_knud@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:425b7c89$0$67258$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk...
>
> "jodem" <jodem@nypost.dk> wrote in message
> news:425b7430$0$206$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk...
>>
>> "Joakim von And" <ncm_ab@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>> news:425a495b$0$79459$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...
>>> Af Caroline Glick, april 2005, Jpost.
>>>
>>> Tuesday the 2004 Arab Human Development Report was released by the UN
>>>

>> Den arabiske verdens problemer skyldes især manglende politisk og
>> religiøs modernisering. Dette er så åbenlyst, at det får én til at
>> mistænke Glick for uhæderlighed eller partiskhed. Anderledes kan det vel
>> ikke være, når man skriver for Jpost.
>
> Forfatterne beskriver selv arabiske stater som: "black holes", hvor viden
> hverken kommer ind eller ud.
>
>

Men det er åbenbart irrelevant for Glicks formål ! Med sit Israelocentriske
offervendensbillede har hun de onde UN-bedragere mod sig på den ene side og
de dumme EU-mytomaner på den anden. Det er sådan, Jerusalem post vil have
verden formidlet til folk i Israel.