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Fra : Hugh Watkins


Dato : 28-05-02 10:04

I am doing Danish genealogi just now

Strømsholt Køge købt 1909

formerly

Pederson Atterup Overdrev


Barber-og Frisørmester Køge
Johannes Valdemar Strømsholt

Menig 14 Batt Sl. Rk. 4' Kp

can anybody expand the abreviations please ?

nummer 879 (Aargang1916)



the book is in Køge Lokalarkiv

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Mogens Bang (28-05-2002)
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Fra : Mogens Bang


Dato : 28-05-02 12:19

Hi.
I cannot expand all but here is some
Menig 14 Battallion Sjællandske(?). Rk. 4' Kompagni
yours truly
Mogens Bang


Hugh Watkins <hugh_watkins@net.dialog.dk> skrev i en
nyhedsmeddelelse:acvh6l$sugne$1@ID-71976.news.dfncis.de...
> I am doing Danish genealogi just now
>
> Strømsholt Køge købt 1909
>
> formerly
>
> Pederson Atterup Overdrev
>
>
> Barber-og Frisørmester Køge
> Johannes Valdemar Strømsholt
>
> Menig 14 Batt Sl. Rk. 4' Kp
>
> can anybody expand the abreviations please ?
>
> nummer 879 (Aargang1916)
>
>
>
> the book is in Køge Lokalarkiv
>
> Hugh W
> --
> http://www.enterpol.dk my favourite email server and FirstClass BBS
> http://www.net-medier.dk/ http://www.net-medier.dk/default.asp?ID=11
> http://news.fu-berlin.de/ - usenet news service
> at http://www.fu-berlin.de/ Freie Universität Berlin
http://www.fu-berlin.de/en/
>
>



Erik Bachmann (28-05-2002)
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Fra : Erik Bachmann


Dato : 28-05-02 19:54


"Hugh Watkins" <hugh_watkins@net.dialog.dk> skrev i en meddelelse
news:acvh6l$sugne$1@ID-71976.news.dfncis.de...
> I am doing Danish genealogi just now
>
> Strømsholt Køge købt 1909
Købt (Købstad) = Borough

> Pederson Atterup Overdrev
Overdrev = Common
>
>
> Barber-og Frisørmester Køge
Master barber- and hairdresser in Køge
> Johannes Valdemar Strømsholt
>
> Menig 14 Batt Sl. Rk. 4' Kp
Menig 14. Battailon Slesviske Regiments 4. Kompani
=
Private 14th Battaillon, Regement of Schleswig, 4th Company
> nummer 879 (Aargang1916)
Number 879 (Year 1916)


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Lars Kr. Lundin (28-05-2002)
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Fra : Lars Kr. Lundin


Dato : 28-05-02 22:03

Tue, 28 May 2002 11:04:26 +0200 skrev Hugh Watkins:

> Menig 14 Batt Sl. Rk. 4' Kp

'14. Bataljon' was one of two infantry battalions in the
regiment 'Sjællandske Livregiment'.

From 1913 '14. Bataljon' was garrisoned in Slagelse.

'Sjællandske Livregiment' was founded on November 17 1614.

'Sjællandske Livregiment' (and with it '14. bataljon')
fought for the last time in the war in 1864.

At the outbreak of WW1 48.000 soldiers were mobilised on
Sjælland. About half of these men were stood down during
WW1.

Source: Grundbog for menige, Bind 8: Hærens Historie.
The material is (obviously) not classified and should be
available from somewhere.

When 'Sjællandske Livregiment' was shut down 2 years ago
(still garrisoned in Slagelse) it was the worlds oldest
regiment.

Sl. = (probably) Sjællandske

In spite of some knowledge of both current and historical
military terminology I can offer no explanation for 'Rk'
- at least not in the above context.

Menig = private (the Danish army had afaik no distinction
between 'Private' and 'Private First Class').

kp = company (currently KP = corporal and KMP = company)

I would think he is a private in the 4'th company of the
14'th (infantry) battalion of the regiment 'Sjællandske
Livregiment'.

> nummer 879 (Aargang1916)

nummer = service number.
I.e. the serviceman (or private) is identified by number 879.

Aargang1916 = Year 1916 or 'Class of 1916'
I.e. the year the actual service took place.

> Strømsholt Køge købt 1909
>
> formerly
>
> Pederson Atterup Overdrev
>
>
> Barber-og Frisørmester Køge
> 'Johannes Valdemar Strømsholt'

Is the above part of an army record ?

In that case it may be relevant to note that men who lost
the draw and thus had to serve in the army could pay another
man to serve in their place - at least in the early 19'th
century.

The following is pure speculation on my part:

'købt' (bought) may refer to the fact that 'Pederson' of
'Atterup Overdrev' in 1909 paid (bought) the other man
'Johannes Valdemar Strømsholt' of 'Køge' to serve in his
place. (or perhaps it is the other way round? - from the
brief text it is unclear who is the subject of the verb).

The fact that the Danish army mobilised soldiers during WW1
could indicate that serving in the army in 1916 was a more
serious matter than in 1909. Thus, a person who in 1909
avoided the obligation to serve would in 1916 probably
find that a fortunate decision.

Good luck,
Lars Lundin.
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Hugh Watkins (29-05-2002)
Kommentar
Fra : Hugh Watkins


Dato : 29-05-02 08:04

A big thank you to every one !

"Lars Kr. Lundin" <news-gi-09@lklundin.dk> wrote in message news:bgSI8.28661$4f4.1015523@news000.worldonline.dk...
> Tue, 28 May 2002 11:04:26 +0200 skrev Hugh Watkins:
>
> > Menig 14 Batt Sl. Rk. 4' Kp
>
> '14. Bataljon' was one of two infantry battalions in the
> regiment 'Sjællandske Livregiment'.
>
> From 1913 '14. Bataljon' was garrisoned in Slagelse.

Makes sense he was living in Storehedinge

>
> 'Sjællandske Livregiment' was founded on November 17 1614.
>
> 'Sjællandske Livregiment' (and with it '14. bataljon')
> fought for the last time in the war in 1864.
>
> At the outbreak of WW1 48.000 soldiers were mobilised on
> Sjælland. About half of these men were stood down during
> WW1.
>
> Source: Grundbog for menige, Bind 8: Hærens Historie.
> The material is (obviously) not classified and should be
> available from somewhere.

I live in Copenhagen Ø
and we can walk to Castellet and ask the librraian

one of the worlds great military libraries


> When 'Sjællandske Livregiment' was shut down 2 years ago
> (still garrisoned in Slagelse) it was the worlds oldest
> regiment.
>
> Sl. = (probably) Sjællandske
>
> In spite of some knowledge of both current and historical
> military terminology I can offer no explanation for 'Rk'
> - at least not in the above context.
>
> Menig = private (the Danish army had afaik no distinction
> between 'Private' and 'Private First Class').
>
> kp = company (currently KP = corporal and KMP = company)
>
> I would think he is a private in the 4'th company of the
> 14'th (infantry) battalion of the regiment 'Sjællandske
> Livregiment'.


Yes the Corporal line in the book is blank


>
> > nummer 879 (Aargang1916)
>
> nummer = service number.
> I.e. the serviceman (or private) is identified by number 879.
>
> Aargang1916 = Year 1916 or 'Class of 1916'
> I.e. the year the actual service took place.
>
> > Strømsholt Køge købt 1909
> >
> > formerly
> >
> > Pederson Atterup Overdrev

Found in Trap

now how about putting the gazeteer and maps from Trap on the net ?

> >
> >
> > Barber-og Frisørmester Køge
> > 'Johannes Valdemar Strømsholt'

no his identy - the documents are in Køge Lokal arkiv
>
> Is the above part of an army record ?

no his father Jørgen Petersen bought the name Strømsholt in 1909

and his childrens name change is registered in the Ministry copy of Storehedinger Kirkebog

What would it cost ?


>
> In that case it may be relevant to note that men who lost
> the draw and thus had to serve in the army could pay another
> man to serve in their place - at least in the early 19'th
> century.


snip
>
> The fact that the Danish army mobilised soldiers during WW1
> could indicate that serving in the army in 1916 was a more
> serious matter than in 1909. Thus, a person who in 1909
> avoided the obligation to serve would in 1916 probably
> find that a fortunate decision.

thanks Lars

next question

>>Lægdsrullebetingelse (side) 2

Naar og hvor optaget i Rullen

Aar Maaned Dag Udskrivningskreds Lægd Bogstav Nr. Lægdbestyrelse
underskrift


1912 1 1 2 109 H 3 none

1914 5 5 2 59 H 87 none

1917 12 6 2 50 P 32 R. Rasmussen

1918 4 20 2 313 Q 31 unreadable

1921 8 8 2 412 T 87 WW? Nielsen

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